(False) Historical stereotypes

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  1. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    You inept to make any form of logical analysis, your opinion is invalid. Oh wait, it is only your opinion. Why would your opinion matter in a first place. I though that I might hurt your feelings there for a second. Thank fully for all of us it is the facts that matter, not opinions. =)
  2. UtterlyImpeccable Well-Known Member

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    You have to admit desertion was a major issue in the Russian Army, which hardly goes in their favour as a great army.
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  3. scottap25 Well-Known Member

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    Well they had home court advantage. The constructions they made to hide from the Americans were ingenious. It caused confusion and hurt american morale.
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    Did you see any single point of me denying that. For the love of god, I have all these people in every single argument, who assume things out of no where. Russians had the most amount of POWs like I presented, how do you think they ended up as prisoners of war?
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    I wasn't disagreeing with your overall conclusion, just pointing out the flaws in the Russian Army, to restore some balance to the situation.
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    The russians were not prepared! They didn't have enough shoes, food, weapons, or clothing for the massive peasant army they conscripted. You cant argue with that. But that doesn't mean that the Russians sucked, either. The peasants didn't want to fight! the army was were most of the communist talk began! The army at the time was poor, out dated and hungry. That is why the Russian Empire fell.
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    Obviously it had flaws, what are you talking about. Even modern day American army, which is whit out shadow of a doubt the 'strongest' army in history has it's flaws. My argument is that Russian Imperial Army was not shit during WW1. This does not mean that my conclusion is that it is the best or super great army, this merely means that it does not suck as it is in popular belief.

    Dear lord is everything black and white to people these days? Shees.


    You put that VERY simply, but you just might be starting to get it.
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    Well when I was trying to point out some it's flaws (which made the army so crippled it had to abandon offenses) you kept hiding behind numbers that meant nothing. Was it the Russians that killed all of the Germans and Austrians in WWI?
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    -Napoleon was short. In actuallity the his height was 5'7 which was above average for the time period. The reason for misconception were the differences between the English and French measurement systems.
    -Queen Marie Antionette never said "Let them Eat Cake". It was most likely made by some anti-royalist either during or after the revolution as propoganda.
    -Jimmy Carter was the first Southener elected President since the Civil War.Lyndon Johnson waas born in Texas and Woodrow Wilson in Viriginia and served before Carter.
    -Thomas Edison invented the Lightbulb. Edison actually invented very little and stole ideas from his workers, including the lightbulb which had been invented in the 1830's but wasn't until Edison actually found a way to make it last longer did it really start to take off.
  10. scottap25 Well-Known Member

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    Yae, Thomas Edison was a salesman. He knew how to sell ideas.
  11. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    WHAT!? Oh god a second I though you might have some sense in you. Apparently I am arguing with a 4 year old. Man why even bother at this stage. I should hang myself right now to spare myself from repeating myself to some idiot a week later.
  12. Jingles Well-Known Member

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    Oh, and on the subject of Japan, here's another one:

    Banzai attacks were devastating ambushes. (Not)
  13. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    I should find specific statistics, but if memory serves me right, out of 2000 kamikatze attacks only a dozen made it to the target. (I actually have that history mag here some where!!)
  14. scottap25 Well-Known Member

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    Wait, what are getting mad about? Why can't I give my thoughts on the subject (which is backed up by historical facts) without you devolving into an angry sixth-grader? And when I asked about the numbers, that was an actual question. Were the numbers you got specifically about the Russians?
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    Should I embarrass the guy or should I tell him to piss off before I say anything?
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    I am sorry I disagree with you. I say we move into another historical topic.
  17. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Well the Battle of Tannenburg had a resounding effect for the rest of the war. The heavily outgunned and outmaned German forces beating back the Russians. It quickly shattered the myth of the Russian steamroller and ended with the suicide of General Samsonov. Or if you want to move to the Western front the 100 Days Offensive, pushing the Germans behind the Hindenburg Line and signaling the end of the war.
    Ad hominem attacks are always fun.
    When your source says that casualties are difficult to determine numbers become unreliable.
    Not using Wikipedia would be a good start.
    It mostly proves that the Ottomans and Austrians were just as bad as the Russians. The Turkish fronts proved to be large indecisive and Brusilov was one of Russia's rare successes. Two successful operations do not prove anything, if they did then you have to explain to me Stallupon, Gumbinnen, Tannenberg, both battles of the Masurian Lakes, Lodz, and Riga. At the end of the day Russia's only real choice as Baron von Kuhlmann said, "is with what sort of sauce they shall be eaten with.
    More ad hominem.
  18. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    Fine, you asked for it yourself.


    Are you blind? Are you too fucking lazy to read the post, before responding to it? What the fuck?
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    Are you fucking kidding me? How about you being fucking blind, or helpless for a starters? How about not having a single drop of logical thinking and assuming everything is black and white like nearly every single person I have to deal with here. Example:

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    Again, some reading would have saved you allot of trouble which brings me to my third point: I have to repeat my self over and over and over and over again to what seems intellectually handicapped. Even now I have to tell you, what I previously posted.

    Fourthly, which is the least of them by far is your way of presenting your argument. This is completely subjective, yes, but it drives me mad regardless. Let me explain:

    1. Would you explain, why Russians were not prepared and site a reference?

    2. Do you have something concrete other than your word in term of gear? If you do why did you not mention it and if you don't have, why did you bring it up?

    3. Yes I can argue with that, because you gave nothing but your word on it.

    4. Why didn't those things make Russian army suck?

    5. Last three sentences were all right, not the best way to put it, but much better than all the other jibberish.

    Don't mistake these 5 points as me arguing with you, but as me saying why I do not like the way you present your arguments. I have to make it perfectly clear, so I don't have to repeat myself over once again.

    And people wonder why I'm suicidal.

    EDIT: And lastly, I absolutely hate above all else how people base their arguments on opinions, not facts.
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    @D3adtrap I suggest you use more professional language, you are a mod for Christ sake, no excuses
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  20. scottap25 Well-Known Member

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    Are YOU kidding me!? YOU ACTUALLY THINK THE RUSSIANS WERE PREPARED!? Ok here are some citations:A Little History of the World by E.H Gombrich, The Russian Revolution by Sheila Fitzpatrick, A Military Atlas of The First World War by Arthur Banks, World War One by Norman Stone, and a History of Russia by Nicholas V. Riasanovsky and Mark D. Stienberg. EDIT: Oh and of course, Eyewitness Books: World War I.

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