Defending the indefensible: Abrahamic faiths and especially Islam

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Kali, Jul 10, 2012.

  1. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Well of course it does things to people, but this particular phenomena is one I'm very familiar with. Debate and forensics culture has a profound effect on its members.
  2. Onyxja Well-Known Member

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    I see your point, yet hiding away the stupid of one group can be seen as withholding and not showing how many stupid people there actually are of one group. Also encouraging stupid people to just mock people aren't a smart idea to lift anyones agenda. Of course this is just one bad circle where if you let stupid people talk they will ramble about retarded stuff, but if people would try as much as possible to make stupid people not talk then it would be seen as deceiving.

    Also if you are a least bit intelligent you must see that there is parts about organized religion that is easy to dislike, as you more or less pointed out yourself. But of course there is also those retarded militant anti-theists that hate people for being religious.

    Also this is pretty fucking stupid and doesn't contribute in anyway. It is just a cheap way to try and hurt my feelings which is stupid to do if you use it with a discussion format. Also very low chance that it will work on any normal human because people tend to not get upset over internet forums.
  3. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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  4. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    http://josefvstalin.com/threads/the-roman-catholic-church.3444/

    Here is your battle cry.
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    The plot thickens!
  6. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    I regret not getting more into debate, I'm one charismatic mother fucker.

    Though one thing I have learned is "Fuck logic, go for the emotions"

    But now my school is only a hundred people, so debate is out of the question. All though its obvious that I would win.
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    ... *sigh*

    This thread is fail. Can we all just let Kali foam at the mouth in solitude please, I mean, come on. 4 Pages of discussion on him hating on Abrahamic faithes, which has probably boiled down to a de-railed convo. that doesn't even really pretain to the OP and title.
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    A short summary of the thread so far.

    Kali: Me, me, me, me. Ad hominem. Me, me, me, me.
    Everyone else: lolwut
  9. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    I don't hate anti-theists because I think they're wrong, I hate them because of who they are, as people. I'm asking the theologically illiterate among us to devote their efforts at attacking the character and person of anti-theists because 1) that removes their nonsensical babble from the theological arena, 2) it allows them to contribute to the overall conflict in an entertaining and infinitely more useful way, and 3) because it has a significantly greater chance to hurt my opposition's feelings and/or tire them out/grind them down into mere shells of what they used to be. Constant psychological abuse is undoubtedly a more effective tool than elementary (and really, I doubt we could call it even elementary) theology in terms of both securing victory for my side and submitting my opposition to degradation and humiliation.
  10. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    So really, you're calling on the average joe to make fun of militant atheists because you're too lazy to actually debate them? Sounds fun to me!
  11. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Not at all. I'm asking the average joe to stick to what he's good at: simple tasks that don't involve a lot of thinking and have very apparent effects. The uneducated theist is more dangerous an opponent to religion than the most calculating anti-theist ever could be, at least as far as theological debate goes. Anti-theists, and even more generally, atheists, rely heavily on their opposition's incompetence or irrationality. Their strongest points are ones that can't be made unless their opponents are dumb enough to provoke and play into them. At the same time, the uneducated theist is extremely susceptible (of course, we're dealing with teenagers on top of that) to being deceived by even the simplest of atheist rhetoric. Keeping them out of the theological arena prevents both of those calamities, and allows them to potentially serve up some trauma to those anti-theistic bastards.
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    So, your argument is basically don't have uninformed theists debate atheists?

    I don't really understand what your point is.
  13. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    He's saying that average people who don't study theology should be hostile to anti-theists so they can't use their rhetoric to convince them to abandon their religion and become anti-theists or atheists themselves.
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    Okay.

    @Kali cool story bro.

    Though I don't see why anyone cares. Duke, why don't you just let him keep ranting away? It's pretty obvious he'll just continue to provoke a reaction. It's not really worth it to answer anything he says, I find.
  15. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    The point of the thread is evident in the title. This is how you go about defending the indefensible. Abrahamic faiths are patent bullshit, but Christians, Muslims, and Jews can all be useful in the never-ending battle to make anti-theists feel like the human refuse that they are. In this way, theism can easily combat anti-theism, not by attacking the other side's arguments, but by attacking the people who make them. Of course, there are a few theologically competent theists, and they, along with me, can go about dismantling the paradigmist bullshit that makes up the core of anti-theistic and atheistic thought.
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    I don't understand this post either. You seem to be both condemning both theists and atheist.
  17. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Haven't you noticed? He's constantly condemning just about everyone that isn't him.
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    He's explained his views on the subject before. While the theists may be in wrong as far as logic and reason go, the anti-theists have ultimately built up a negative and undesirable culture around their position.
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    Hes a theist. Atheists and anti-theists are winning the debate so hes having a hissy fit.

    EDIT: And of course hes being a giant fucking hypocrite at the same time.
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    Boy howdy, look at all the rabble in this thread vs the amount actually tangible discussion of the topic. All that past excessive Ad Hominem sure has paid off in the long run hasn't it Kali? Maybe I'm just being crazy, but perhaps a little positive charismatic character every now and then actually does go a long way after all?
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