Kids doing Adderall to score better on tests

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by The Shaw, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. LampRevolt Well-Known Member

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    There are victims of sober people besides the sober people themselves too. Fun fact. Protecting someone from themselves is obviously taking away their free will. Actually we just decided that we're taking away your computer because you spend unnecessary amounts of time on it, it's for your own good really and it's TOTALLY our business.

    Oh, and it would pretty much absolutely destroy the cartels yes. I would love to see your argument for how they would maintain their power without the drug trade. .
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  2. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Remind me to reply to this later. I'm busy in the City-States thread.
  3. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    How do you reply that fast?
  4. LampRevolt Well-Known Member

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    You replied just as fast as he did.
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  5. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    But he replied faster, especially since he is doing another thread and PM.
  6. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Fuck nobody reminded me to continue that.
  7. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    This is your reminder @Imperial1917
  8. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Taking people's free will away is not something I take lightly, believe it or not. However, only fools believe that there is no such thing as a situation in which it can be necessary to take such action. I am no expert on this matter, but I believe that there must be action, even if some modicum of free will is lost.
    It is not unusual that someone's free will is curbed for the benefit of other people. It is, unfortunately or not, the way of things. What benefits one may punish another. Allowing someone to consume drugs may directly only harm them and the lack of benefit to others may be irrelivent, but it is not irrelivent when the person commits actions under the influence of said drug that have negative impacts on others.
    As for you childish jab at my computer use: you have no authority or reason to take my computer in any context. As opposed to the government, which has a duty to its citizens, you have to stretch your argument to humanitarian purposes, which you would probably not back in many other scenerios. And in any case, there is quite a leap between my computer use, which has potencial to be useful and very beneficial, and recreational drug use, which mainly harms the users and, more importantly, the people around them. Net scale of benefit and risk.

    Legalization does not mean that everybody will be cleared to use them. Thus, the market for the illicit trade of drugs will remain open. There may or may not be a shrinking of the market, but it will remain. Total legalization without setting up a system where repeat offenders of crimes due to drug use are restricted is just foolish and a recipe for disaster. And there will be drug crimes, regardless of the legal status of the use. Its just that way.

    At the base of this, I think that there is a conflict between the upholding of the individual versus the upholding of the society as a whole. You have your opinion; I have mine. It likely will not change either way, so I have no more interest in discussing this.

    And yes, thank you @General Mosh.
  9. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I want to point out that, as @The Shaw must know, there is still quite a trade for cigarettes among children in middle and high school, and this means a lot of money is still thrown around on something that is legal. Same with alcohol. Just because its legal doesn't mean there won't still be a lively trade.
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  10. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    But how is that a bad thing, you wont drive by someones house for a chew and some beer.
  11. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I was talking about a legitimate trade. As in older seniors and college students selling cigs and alcohol to the younger high school and college students.
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    My opinion is that if the majority of people want to reduce free will in order to improve everyones lives, they should be free to do so.
    An example of this is education. Parents do not have the choice to keep their children away from school, this restricts their free will. However, society as a whole has decided that education is so useful that it is worth curbing free will to ensure all children have an acceptable level of education.
    I see no difference in the matter of drugs. If the vast majority of the population want to illegalise drug use, in order to raise the quality of life for many people, then they should be allowed to do so.
    The American obsession with a 'right to free will' is unhelpful in these situations.
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  13. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Its an illegitemate trade that is illegal.
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    I've rarely ever seen this in my days. I've seen older siblings buy stuff for younger siblings, or people charging covers at partys, but never have I seen a widescale underage booze market. The penalty for selling booze to minors is pretty steep in the states, and most underage kids get themselves a fake ID or find a place that doesn't card.
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  15. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Same here. I think that's why marijuana is so much more popular and easy to get than alcohol, at least where I live. Tobacco, however is still widely popular at my high school.
  16. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    There are some pretty major liquor laws in Jersey. Its hard to get liquor on your own, and if you don;t have an older brother or sister in the area (most of my friends don't) then you have to buy it from people. Its not as big of a trade as the current drug dealers and stuff of course, but its there. I figured I should point it out as a problem with legalizing Marijuana that is not often brought up. Then again kids are already buying Marijuana in school, so it won't change anything and what it will do is stop adults from buying it illegally. My point was just that the illegal drug trade would never disappear entirely unless you legalized it for absolutely everyone regardless of age.
    I picked the wrong words. I guess I meant a full scale trade.
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    Indeed, every drug user constantly harms those around them . That's just a fact it's totally indisputable. It's not as if you can responsibly be under the influence of something, even going as far as using intoxicating substances at social outings and in other proper times. No, every single drug user of every single drug is a recluse addict who beats his kids and wife/girlfriend.

    ^ That's what you sound like. You have virtually no experience with the subject and make retarded claims. You should probably stop watching so much CSI and go outside once or twice, enough to take in the reality of how drug use actually effects people rather then spot lighted heroin addicts on some ridiculous reality tv show.

    Obviously laws that are mutually beneficial to the populace curb our freedom, but you create far more violence from a black market then you do from domestic assholes (who by the way, are all ready being domestic assholes. They're still getting the drugs and they're still drinking booz and beating their wife and kids, regardless of laws.).

    OH and you think the cartels will run off selling to those legal drugs aren't available too? LOL Yeah young people will fill up the whole market ! They'll flood mexico with enough money for the drug wars 2.0!
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  18. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    But the society!!
  19. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Coulda tagged me! Anyways I wasn't trying to suggest it would flood the market with money, kids don't have that much money. I'm just saying it wouldn't get rid of the drug trade entirely. However, kids are already buying Marijuana and other drugs, so it won't really change much.

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