A Quick Opinion Poll: Foundations

So, I'm for the newsletter I have started writing about sub-concious effects of ideological foundations and how that effects the structures of society and ideologies within different parts of the world.

This is likely a topic far to large for the newsletter and is something I'd like to cover in more depth later in my career but I generally find the middle east protests to be somewhat uninteresting, just personal opinion.

Anyway: the question is what do you identify as the primary issue which and ideological framework should seek to uphold. I'm primarily concerned with the difference between Liberty, Justice and Order (Security) but feel free to comment if you have a different opinion.

Also, if you could post your place of residence and culture of upbringing that would be helpful.
Feel free to discuss/comment as you wish.

Non of the principles here are mutually exclusive the question is whihc is more important. Perhaps by Justice I should have used Justice/Equallity, in fact thinking now I definately should have. For instance in a system of social health care should a privatised ulternative exist even if it lowers the standard of the public service. Yes would be liberty focused, the other Justice/Equality.

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Im also more concerned with thought process. When you establish a legal system is it to ensure everyone obeys the same rules (equality), to protect people from having liberty infringed by others, or to ensure a society that is free of crime. Setting up a legal system will achieve all of these in varying measure, but what effect was most desirable to you?

Sure freedom is nice, but I'd rather not have my people dying so the KKK can march.

Freedom is considerably more important than order and equality. There is no justice without liberty. Liberty is not simply some means to a better world, it's an end in and of itself.

Preferably you'd want them all. If I had to pick though? Order.

I'm going to pick order because you can't really have the other two without it.

Justice.

Part ways correct.

Best kind of correct.

I like the order, but when does it become too much and inhibit Liberty.

Liberty. I live in Americana and was brought up in well not really one specific culture but I could guess Italian mostly. Why do I need to tel you my culture and country?

As I said they are in some ways very interconnected. What I want to know is which is the most important one in your ideological opinion. Do you establish a Ordered society to ensure a maximisation of Liberty or do you establish an Ordered society as a goal in and of itself, with an increase in Liberty being a potential side-effect.

I'm interested in a personal hypothesis that hopes to (in some ways) explain differences in the success of different ideologies in different regions based on a subconcious ideological foundation. Read the newsletter if you want more Provide i finish in time, if not I'll submit it next month.

Honestly, because order is closest to what I would have picket had it been an option. Function.

Thats perfectly valid. Mind if I ask your Cultural upbringing? I'm presuming Western-American but do you have any other influences in early development, or more specific influences?

Texan. Lower middle class most of my life. Mother is fairly classical liberal, grandparents heavily conservative. (All in the American sense mind you.)

Probably not the sufficient answer you were looking for, but I suppose you can ask specifics if you want.

No thats fine, and interesting. I recognise that a deep exploration of an individuals thought process is hard to do on a forum, and would provied masses of data mostly unusable as I'm interested in sub-concious effects.

Is classical Liberal in the American Sense equvilent to European Classical Liberalism or is it more American Social Liberal? : /

European Classical Liberalism I guess. Probably would have been easier to say American Libertarian.

Born and raised in a Portuguese/Italian neighbourhood to a Portuguese/Slavic mother, with strong connections to her family, and a Germanic/English father, with much more ties to Hispanic culture than his own. I picked an answer based on what I believe is more of a necessity currently, and looking towards what has been happening in the past decade, I do agree we need all of it, but this is not the point, the point is if we were in a dire situation what would we choose, and why would we choose it, based on our cultural upbringing. (parents teaching you their history and culture) That being said, I picked order, we need secure jobs and an efficient method in keeping those jobs without major Corporate decisions to monopolize too much of what they do not need to, and we need stability to help bring this towards security.