Abortion

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by trots 20-20, May 30, 2012.

  1. trots 20-20 Member

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    This is a topic i have conflicting opinions on and its one of the few things were Im not sure what I should think. So I want you guys to defend what you think is right or morale and maybe..... just maybe you could turn me to your point of view.
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    I find abortion to be inherently wrong, because you simply can't know what the child could be. What if they became a world leader that diverted a Third World War? It's entirely possible.
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    Ya but by not having unprotected sex 24/7 you may not have an accident that creates the baby that saves humanity from Martian Invaders. Condoms are supporting the Martian Invaders, man.
  4. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    Ooor - The child could grow up to be the next Hitler, and wipe out all of Africa. Maybe they will be a mad scientist, and create a new breed of super-aids, or maybe they will cause a nuclear-holocaust. There's a much higher chance of the child being a douche, evil, or just generally being detrimental to humanity than being them next Einstein. Given the odds of it all, flushing that horrible little parasite out of your (Or your partners) womb is probably the safest thing to do.
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    A fuckload of sperm tries to reach the egg and fails because of the one that eventually grows into the child. All those sperm cells could be a horde of Gandhis, but as you can't tell, it matters absolutely fuck all.

    And the highest chance is that it's just your average guy that no one will miss anyway.
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    Or... you were Raped, or Can't afford a child, you know that before abortion women uses to commit suicide, if they were un wed they would be ridiculed in the eyes of society, I honestly think men should never talk about abortion, Unless you are the father of the fetus in question, men have no right to talk about abortion unless it directly affecs us, leave it to the women.
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    While I agree that the decision of having an abortion should be up to the mother of the child, I think it's ridiculous to say men shouldn't have the right to talk about abortion whatsoever.
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    Why? The only person with that right is the Parent(s)
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    I think he meant as the father.
  10. Romulus211 Proconsul

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    In that case let me re answer his question.
    The parents have the right to decide what they want, but when it comes to government debates and politics. Men should not talk about abortions, abortions affect women so much more then men, taking something living that is inside of you is a tough choice. It really saddens me that people who have never had one talk bad about people who have, that man has the right to know and decide together, but when it is cheapened outside of the family in debates and Law, that is when it is fucking Ridiculous.
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    I don't see how that's fair.

    The government shouldn't be able to dictate laws about what lives inside of woman?
    What about the worms living inside of me?
    They're trying to take them away from me.
    They're evil!
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    The parents have the right to decide? It's not their fucking life they are taking away for fuck sake. Abortion is murder, and don't give me that bullshit about the argument that a foetus can't count as life yet. It has the potential to live, and anything with that potential should be considered the most important thing. Life is valuable, taking it away is unforgivable.
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    Your sperm has potential to live.
    And you put Mao to shame.
    Hypocrite.
  14. C_G Well-Known Member

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    Directed at me? If so, what context have I put Mao to shame?
  15. Chelsea366 Retired Moderator

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    He's referring to the millions (at the very least) of sperm that you kill by jacking off or those that don't make it, since it's only the winner that gets the egg.
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    Dude, you re asking to be Carlin'ed!

    Anyway, in my opinion a child is alive when it leaves the mother's womb anything before that its not life.
    Also chickens are decent people!
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    Which is why were so tolerant towards animals, oh wait.
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    I wouldn't go so far as to say that personally. I do believe that at a certain point in the womb it can be considered more than just a fetus. However I am pro-abortion in that I think it should mainly be up to the woman what to do with her body and what to put herself through. I believe the father (and the father is the only man that should have a say in this, period) should have a say in the decision relationship wise. I don't believe that he should have the ability to actually force her to have the baby, however if she disregards his desire to keep the baby then it is perfectly fine for him to end the relationship. Joint control over the relationship and it's decisions, if the woman just will not have the baby then that is perfectly fine but it may affect the relationship if she does not respect such joint decisions or he does not. That is all I think there should be to it. A relationship can't survive if both parties do not respect each others wishes and the parents are all who should have a say on whether to keep the baby or not.
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    I agree with you, when you say that a woman should have the last word on anything regarding her body, in fact i think that while you re inside your mother's womb you re a part of her and not an actual person.
  20. C_G Well-Known Member

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    Can you explain what reason you have to think this?

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