'Chinese Peasents Getting Uppity' Part II

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Imperial1917, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    If only China would hold elections.
  3. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    For what purpose?
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    Well, it is the People's Republic of China. Maybe people's republic means something else in Mandarin...
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    Well all that the term "Republic" means is that you don't have a monarch.
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  6. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Yeah.
    Part of that is that they used to follow the ideal of Communism.
    With that ideal's decline in the country, so too does the idea of the country being a People's Republic.
    Your logic about the names of places relating directly to their function is like claiming that the states of the United States of America can still assert their independence from the Union in which they find themselves.

    But seriously. For what reason? What would it accomplish?
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    Republic means that representative officials are elected to govern, by who is ambiguous (take the House of Lords or the ninetieth century US Senate). The word People's in front of the word Republic would indicate that these representatives would be elected by the people.
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    It would serve the purpose of electing the leaders of the country.
  9. JosefVStalin El Presidente

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    Canada is not a Republic even though we met the conditions you lay out. We have a officials which are elected to govern etc. etc. etc. But we are technically a constitutional monarchy because the Queen is still technically head of state even though she has no real power.
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    Obviously you have never looked into China's governing structure.
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    Well, since the queen (the monarch) has no real power Canada could be considered a faux constitutional monarchy. The Prime Minister has the true (though not official) role of the executive. Combined with Canada's other republican aspects, it would not be wrong to call Canada a republic in practice, though not in name.
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    The same does for Great Britain, it's called the United Kingdom for a reason. The only time Britain was ever a republic was when Oliver Cromwell deposed the Monarchy. In practice all that a republic really is a term for a country whose head of state isn't a monarchy. That's it. The system you speak of is what is often called a "Republican Democracy", but that's not the only way the term "Republic" is applied.
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    Damn, where's pedro when you need him.
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    We need a Pedro sign we can shine in the sky to call him. Like the Batman.
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    You could call him with the tag @pedro3131 .
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    I hate you all....

    Okay, a republic is basically characterized as a democratically based system that relies on internal checks and balances to mitigate the passions of the majority. Also rule of law. The prime example is the US with it's three branch (executive, legislative, and judicial) system that closesly mimics the systems Aristolte and Polybius were writing about (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_(Aristotle) and replace constitutional gov't with Polity or republic depending on your translation.

    Something else you're getting caught up on is the use of the term democracy. You're applying a liberal interpretation of democracy, that is predicated on individual rights and rule by the people. What China is, is a people's democracy, meaning rule of the common people (or proles). In terms of China, they favor a people's democratic dictatorship, wherein the communist party rules in the interest of the people. While it's not a democracy in the Western liberal sense, if you accept the logic of the dictatorship of the proles as a means of giving franchise to the working class, it still operates within the confines of the original meaning of the Greek word demokratia (which comes from demos (people) and kratein (to rule)
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    I'm 101% positive that Stalin's definition of a republic as "not a monarchy" is absolutely correct. That is why states such as North Korea, China, Cuba, or Belarus, which are clearly autocracies, are republics, while democracies such as The United Kingdom and it's Commonwealth Realms aren't.

    A republic doesn't have to be a democracy and a democracy doesn't have to be a republic.
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    You still have the first part slightly off, because by your definition Canada and the UK would be a Republic because we have a democratically based system that relies on internals checks and balances etc etc etc. But we are not a Republic because our head of state is not a monarchy.

    Again the only time the UK called itself a Republic was when Olivier Cromwell deposed monarchy and placed himself as head of state, enough though the internal governing mechanisms had not substantially changed.

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