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  1. noelsoong This machine does not require caffeine to operate.

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    The time for reformation is needed, at least small ones.
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    No because the whole thing is just silly? Seriously, we're having a poll over an issue started by Che?
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    If this forum is to stand for anything it needs to be reformed! Vote for the reforms!
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    im not going to bother voting because I really dont care kind of like general elections
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    Remember, when your voting for reforms, you voting with Gadaffi!
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    And Kim, what's your point
  9. noelsoong This machine does not require caffeine to operate.

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    Wut!?
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    No.
    Your voting for not throwing random people into fantasy lands for teh lulz.
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    My point is your basically handing Che victory on a silver platter. Remember how many people didn't want Che banned because "HE'S FUNNY LOLOLOL!". If the reforms happen, if Che violates the rules, people wont ban him. He'll basically be immune from the rules.
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    In fact why is this poll up, Stalin is only considering reform, not implementing.
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    Not really for the lulz i laughed at my decision.

    Plus i did so because of his comments example:

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Fucking Christian.
    Listen -
    Islamic extremists killed 4000 in 9/11.
    Christians have killed hundreds of millions.
    The vast majority of Muslims do NOT support Al Qaeda. Before you start quoting the Koran -

    JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

    EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

    1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

    -
    And don't give me any of that 'Old testicle new testicle' crap. The bible is a book glorifying, and justifying Murder, Genocide, Sexual Abuse, Slavery, and torture. Christians have killed many more than Muslims, and if you want to give me any of that 'Not all Christians support it/are evil' business, then use your bloody head and realize the same applies to every religion. Fucking hell, Christians piss me the hell off. Y'know what? I think I am going to spit on a bible now.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Christianity is the tool of the right wing and fascism.
    I believe Christianity, and Christians are the ultimate form of evil.
    I do believe in freedom of Religion.
    But, in my perfect Socialist Society, Christianity, and the bible would be banned, on the basis of Crimes against Humanity.

    I feel that I need not remind you that Christianity is responsible for the Holocaust, the deaths of Million of free-thinking women, natives, blacks, Atheists, and other religious types.
    It has also endorsed Slavery, Sexism, Other various genocides, War, and Murder.
    It, in it's essence justifies Capitalism, and poverty.

    It's followers are, for the most part, hate filled, ignorant, and nonsensical.
    They are afraid of change, and anything different to what they are used to.
    They openly believe, and state their desire for others to be tortured for eternity, many whose crimes are only being born, homosexual, or the likes.
    It is also openly, and legally allowed to practice Indoctrination, and Brainwashing on a massive scale.

    I believe it is clear, when examined, that Christianity is the prime cause of the majority of problems we today face as a species.

    The bibles Hypocrisies are ignored as 'Old' or 'Outdated'. The laws supposedly put down by their God are ignored, and tampered.They justify hate by ignoring whole sections of their book. They justify murder by using a different word. 'Killing'. And they justify their actions by calling themselves 'Gods people'. 'Holy people' 'Chosen' or 'Blessed' people. They segregate themselves from others, under the guise that they are 'Sinners' and destined for eternal torture. This is in part fueled by hatred, and ignorance, fear, and refusal to accept the unknown.

    I believe strongly that Communism and Christianity may never coexist.

    - A former Christian.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Dang right I'm militant about it.

    This is a movement which justifies Indoctrination, and Murder.
    They simply do NOT listen to any resistance, and they are proud of it.
    Not only that, but that openly express their want for anybody who opposes them to be tortured for eternity.
    Reasoning does not work. When tried, they burned us at the stake, tortured, or killed us in many other terrifying ways.

    By the way, I used to be a Christian.
    That was the most terrifying time of my life.
    My dream is the freedom of all of my currently brainwashed, and oppressed Comrades. (Including family and former friends.)

    Further edit: I realize that I got a bit too rant-y towards the people, rather than the cause before. I don't hate Christians. I despise Christianity.
    And, I would like to make clear that I do believe in freedom of Religion. But, I am opposed to Christianity, for many reasons.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]I used the term 'Fascist haven' and not 'Fascist'.

    By which I mean Fascism is by law, legal. That it harbors a massive amount of Fascists.
    And, I do firmly believe that the tea party, and the Republicans are semi-Fascist.
    And, it is my firm belief that the far right-wing types are evolving into Fascism, as is capitalism. (On a global scale, of course.)

    Where is your proof that the US Military abide to such conduct? Right! The US government said so!
    Every country and state that has such far existed have justified their actions, and the people of their nations have always believed them.
    No, I'm not saying that China isn't a dictatorship. And, I am the first to admit that China is capitalist.
    But, as person living in a foreign country with US Military bases in it, which has been forced into this, and many others wars by the USA, I say that I prefer China to the USA.

    I feel I should state here, that I do not hate the USA, nor Americans.
    I dislike, and disagree with what the USA has become.
    When the USA was founded, it served as one of the first real working models of Democracy in the world. I have nothing but respect for the men who founded it. (Apart from on certain obvious issues.) But, it has changed.[/spoiler:1on614s7]


    [spoiler:1on614s7]It is fairly obvious to me that Capitalism is indeed decaying into Fascism.
    Look at the Right-Wing supporters. They are increasingly becoming more, and more hate-filled.
    Over here, people call Asylum seekers 'Criminals', and the Coalition wants to physically shoot all Asylum-Seeking boats out of the water.
    In the US, they are extremely Jingoistic, and Imperialists.
    In the UK, they have physically banned, and made illegal homelessness.


    The world is increasingly becoming controlled by the Ruling class, and their corporations. Almost everything now is copyrighted, and small businesses are being flushed down the sink.
    Hundreds of thousands die in Africa each day, as a result of Western-Capitalist greed.
    The Working class, more and more are being subject to terrible living conditions, and violent, hate filled Propaganda.


    The Governments of the world are also scheming to ruin the work of that we have worked so hard to achieve in the last hundred years.
    Despite being completely recovered from the Recession, my country is scrapping, and privatizing the Social-System. Being classed as Disabled, this is particularly frightening to me. Especially since I am unable to work in my current state.

    I could go on and on, listing reasons as to how I think Capitalism is fast becoming Fascism.
    But, I will stop now.

    But in my opinion, the only cure for this disgusting, over-bloated disease, is Socialism and Communism.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]This war we are in right now. It isn't against Terrorism. Ask any right-wing christian in my town (Who are the majority) or the US. They will talk about 'Evil' Islam, how they feel Islam must be wiped out, or how 'They would be glad to put a bullet in a Muslims brain.'
    It's Christianity VS Islam, at least to the general population.

    In Aus, there is constant Anti-Islamic propaganda. People are very scared of Muslims. If a taxi, or bus, has a Muslim driver, they will get out.
    They will automatically assume any Muslim is a terrorist.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]This is loony.

    But, I do think we are heading to a very '1984' type society.

    In Britain, Security cameras are going in the houses of Criminals. Then they will expand it, and keep expanding what the defines one as needing surveillance. Eventually, everybody will have Cameras in their houses. We already have the technology to activate recording software once a specific keyphrase is said. 'Government' 'Revolution' 'Communist'.

    Same with these drones.
    For now, they the testing. Then they will go into service. Then more, and more of them will come. And, eventually they will be armed.

    Global Capitalism IS deteriorating into Fascism.
    I'm sure you all know that one Lenin quote.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
    US Bombing Iraq Water Supply 500,000
    1898 US War vs Philippine 3,000,000
    US Aggression on Latin America 6,000,000
    US Backed murder of Tamils 30,000
    Native American Genocide 95,000,000
    Iraq (Selling Gas to Saddam) 400,000
    Iraq (Desert Storm) 500,000
    US Intervention in the Congo 5,000,000

    Science I love the list.
    Great thing we have the good 'Ole US of A to watch over the world for us.
    Just a few select incidents were chosen.
    (Braces myself for the imminent attempted justification)[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Che is an extremist, by my standards too. While we both do believe the USA is a Fascist Dictatorship, his beliefs verge on, and venture into Racism.
    I don't believe Americans are evil, I just believe the system is evil. My country's government being exactly the same, and nearly equally as guilty, of course. I am firm to the belief that all Right-Wingers are either heartless, or severely brainwashed to the extent of needing to be thrown in asylums, however.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Yeah, the country is really screwed up. Dictatorship led by two Nutcases.
    But, it reminds me of this other country.. Exists in the far west of the world. Big nation. 'Bout 300 million people, has Military bases in 1/3 of the world, and regularly supports it's fellow dictatorships, and genocide.
    I can't for the life of me remember the name of this country.. Anybody?[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]It pisses me off too.
    Almost as much as hearing 'Communist China' 'Communist Russia' 'Communist North-Korea'.
    But, y'know. It's not convenient for the Capitalist to correct it. Heavens forbid the working class should find out the true meaning of the words, and realize they are being lied to!
    /Ideological ally fist-salute.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]I am entirely opposed to Fascism, to the point of banning, and taking the rights away of every Fascist.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]No peace until Capitalism, and Religion are destroyed.
    No peace until Communism.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Wow.. I forgot just how far you take it!
    Now Myself, Lenin and Empire look far less extreme, in contrast.
    /Red fist salute to Che.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Elections are anti-democratic.
    America is an Oligarchy, not Democracy.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]The Nazi's weren't warmongers at all! They were just defending themselves across other nations borders!
    Holocaust? Bah. Those were Extended police detainment centers
    If you looked at the Third-Reich hierarchy, you would find that there was not a single corrupt person there! All of them are genuine members of the party, and they really did have the Reich's best interests at heart.
    Proof of their excellent and just law system can be seen in the very streets. There could not be a single criminal to be found! I guess we can praise the Extended police detainment centers for that.

    ^ That is what you believed if you lived in Nazi-Germany.

    Kalalification wrote:
    The USFG aren't warmongering by any means. The executive is controlled by our most diplomatic President in two decades, the House is controlled by a fiscal conservative and international shut-in, and the Senate is commanded by Harry Reid. Look at our current foreign policy goals and you'll see no hint of increased military aggression.


    ^ Is what you believe if you live in modern USA.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Ok, Kala.
    America has Military bases in 1/3 of the world.
    All three of America's last conflicts have been called 'Unjust' by 2/3 of the UN.
    America has been named a terrorist state by the International Justice Committee.
    You have supported dictators, and genocides in the past.
    The majority of the world hates America.

    What, in all of those points does not seem apparent?
    By the way, I would thank you to stop with the insults. It's kind of threatening to be insulted by somebody whom you cannot react to.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]It would be one of the best things for Marxism in the first world in this century so far.
    If 'Gaga' were to become a Communist, all of her die-hards would look into it.
    When they got into it, all of regular fans would start researching.
    We could potentially have a million new Communists, in the USA alone.

    Part of me hopes it is true, and if not, that Gaga is being turned to the light![/spoiler:1on614s7]
    [spoiler:1on614s7]Quote:
    Second Boer War 75,000
    Japanese Massacre of Singapore 100,000
    Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
    Japanese Germ Warfare in China 200,000
    Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
    US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
    US Bombing Iraq Water Supply '91 500,000
    US Civil War 700,000
    Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
    US sanctions on Iraq 1,000,000
    US Backed Suharto 1,200,000
    Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
    Japanese Democides 5,964,000
    Famine of 1932-33 7,000,000
    Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
    Famine in British India 30,000,000
    US Intervention in the Congo 5,000,000
    Hurricane Katrina 1,836
    Indonesian Anti-Com. Purge 1,000,000
    Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
    Industrial Revolution USA 100,000
    1898 US War vs Philippine 3,000,000
    Palestinians Killed by Israel 826,626
    Guatemala 300,000
    Nanking Massacre 300,000
    Iraq (Selling Gas to Saddam) 400,000
    Iraq (Desert Storm) 500,000
    Invasion of the Philippines 650,000
    Feudal Russia 1,066,000
    Afghanistan 1,200,000
    Iraq 1,300,000
    Khmer Rouge 2,035,000
    South African Apartheid 3,500,000
    Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
    US Aggression on Latin America 6,000,000
    Japanese Imperialism 6,000,000
    Vietnam War - including Cambodia & Laos 10,000,000
    Korean War 10,000,000
    British Occupation of India 20,000,000
    Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
    World War One 16,500,000
    World War Two 60,000,000
    Native American Genocide 95,000,000
    Capitalist Policy in India 1947 - 1990 120 ,000,000
    African Slave Trade 150,000,000
    US Backed murder of Tamils 30,000
    Spanish-American War 100,000
    Spanish Civil War 400,000
    Union Carbide Bophal Disaster 15,000
    Massacre of Paris Commune 20,000
    First Indochina 1946-1954 1,500,000
    Belgian Congo Colonization 1,000,000
    French Madagascar 80,000
    Nigerian Civil War 1,000,000
    Rwandan Genocide 1,000,000
    US Made Famine Bangladesh 100,000
    Children Died fr Hunger '09 5,256,000
    Children Killed by Hunger Since 9/11 235,000,000
    Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
    Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide (1960 - 2010) 300,000,000

    Total Killed by Capitalism: 1,559,657,267

    Capitalism: Known True Evil
    1.6 Billion Murdered


    Yo.
    American murders 3x more Native Americans alone than Stalin killed people, = Good guyz! 'Cos Injuns and Sand-Monkeys aren't people, GOD BLESS AMERICA! I don't support Stalin, but the Hypocrisy of people supporting America while claiming Stalin to be a bad guy pisses me off.[/spoiler:1on614s7]

    [spoiler:1on614s7]Plus what he said about Taiwanese death camps. I thought he was trolling.[/spoiler:1on614s7]
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    My point is your basically handing Che victory on a silver platter. Remember how many people didn't want Che banned because "HE'S FUNNY LOLOLOL!". If the reforms happen, if Che violates the rules, people wont ban him. He'll basically be immune from the rules.[/quote:2kij26w8]
    Che will be gone in August, so who cares
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    My point is your basically handing Che victory on a silver platter. Remember how many people didn't want Che banned because "HE'S FUNNY LOLOLOL!". If the reforms happen, if Che violates the rules, people wont ban him. He'll basically be immune from the rules.[/quote:2ssb93lu]
    If you actually read stalin's reform proposition you would seen that he still retains executive power.
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    But for a month, he'll be able to say anything he wants.
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    Even if the people elect to give che some kind of diplomatic immunity (unlikely), stalin could still over turn their decision.
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    But Stalin is still part of the Che Fanclub.
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    No, Stalin and the mods would be able to overturn the tribunes and proper tribunes would only act if they felt it was not in the best interests of the whole community
  20. noelsoong This machine does not require caffeine to operate.

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    Maybe the novelty of Che will wear off and maybe Stalin would ban him. Unlikely though because there is always something new he posts. That will bring some lols.

    EG.
    [spoiler:1mtduy6u]
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