Healthcare?

Except it is a business, and as such their goal is to make profit, that is the way businesses work. State run would help that, but there would be problems there too.

Tons of places can make Social Democracy work. At the very least you could say Scanadavia has/had a very heavy Social Democracy.

I was just nit picking when you said socialism.

Denmark uses more than you would think. Plus the universal healthcare wasn't very good until recently. It was average, but it cost more.
Sweden, I don't know how they do it. I think their people are just homoginous enough to let their government tell them where to put their mailbox. Finland is pretty average in most things, including healthcare.

No it wont. It will only make cuts when they are 100% nessisary, and even then they might not. Bussiness arn't afraid to make cuts, those that are die hard.

Again, I'm not going to dig through the interwebs for an arguement. I'm just not very proactive about that.

More Americans are poor simply because it's a America. Don't ask me why, there just are. I would blaim Immigration myself, not to say I'm against immigration though.
Help them? They can help themselves. Per Capita is 50,000 a year, which is a lot more than most countries. They will be fine on private charity and our Free Market.

That would be pretty rediculous if they actually did spend all their money on breast implants. But they are costly and not uncommon. Liposuction is less common, but still as expensive. It doesn't help, is what I'm saying. Also I said this was factored in with the fact that Americans eat more (averagly) to create these only average results.

No they are not, at least not in a poor sense. When they get weighed down by beurocracy they go bankrupt and end. Governments don't, which is why it's actually a problem.

Slippery slope. If Healthcare, why not education? It's just as important, many would say. If Education, why not housing? Shouldn't that be priorterized with people? All forms of Transportation? Electricity? I could see people saying Labor was important, why should we not priorterize the people in a work place?

In other words, you might as well just Nationalize everything. It's costly and ineffective.

As a social democrat I believe in nationalised healthcare because it
*cares for its citizens
*focuses on healthcare not profitability
*tends to be cheaper than privatised healthcare, mainly because larger contracts often come with bigger discounts as a result

@Karakoran
1.Yes you must know more about the Danish healthcare system than me... who is from Denmark. We use half of the average US citizen and get a good treatment with short waiting times and some of the best doctors in the world. The only reason why we dont have as long a life expectancy as the other Nordic countries is that we drink our brains out, just as you eat fastfood like there was no tomorrow. Our healthcare/doctors has always been above average.(well since 1800)
2.Actually people dont like to pay unnessesary taxes in Denmark(or anywhere in the world) and the media constantly try to dig up stories on excessive bureaucracy and if a politician can find a way to minimise costs(while maintaining the same level of quality) they get extremely popular.
3.You cant just claim USA have alot of poor people just because they are the USA. European countries gets flooded by immigrants from Africa and the Middleeast so much that we have 542.738 non-ethnic danes in Denmark with a population of 5.534.738(2010).
4.Dont use the slippery slope argument. Its so lame. And I do in fact believe healthcare, housing and education(along with others) are basic human rights. Everybody deserves the chance to have a normal life and a good education no matter how poor their parents are.

I suggest you stop making such broad generalizations and assumptions, and show me some evidence that your "PRIVEITIZ ITZ!" healthcare system produces desirable results. (Desirable results meaning: Providing optimal healthcare for the population. NOT making record profits. NOT an increase in GDP. KEEPING THE POPULATION HEALTHY AND IN FUNCTIONAL.)

How do you go about having 542 and 73.8/100ths of a person?

There are no modern completly privitzed Healthcare systems that I can think of. I can think of other industries that got a lot more productive when the government stepped out, or got a lot less productive when the government stepped in to show you why government influence was bad.

Airlines (much more effective when regulation was lightened up)
Trains (much more effective when government stopped meddling with the companies)
Mailing/Shipping (FedEx is a million times better than the Post Office)
Oil Drilling (Environmental regulations eat it alive and are the bane of Drilling)
Mining (same)

etc. etc.

Al I see you doing in this post is bitching about government intervention and regulations (IN SECTORS THAT AREN'T HEALTHCARE.), not doing what I asked.....

Here's another question for you, why should we inject your not giving a shit about people into an institution entirely based around giving a shit about people?

The only reason France is better at anybody in anything is because their women like it in their backdoors.

Not really, but I just feel I had to share that.

Well than I'm getting the first plane ticket back to France, or are you getting that piece of information from "Archer".

Depends on what you mean by Archer
:lol:
Get it? because she makes an arch.

I think I got it, French women are oversexed. Things are just looking better and better. If I'm not on for a few days it's because I'm banging my way across France. In fact the way things are looking I won't even need a hotel room.

You know, I'm reluctant to say something about Germans and banging across France right now, but I wont.
Edit: 3 racially witty comments on one page at one thread about France while being off-topic, NEW RECORD! :lol:

Again, there's no real Modern Healthcare systems without massive government regulation. I can't give you an example, it doesn't exist. I can give you a bunch of other sectors though.

Cost efficency and quality boost for everyone but the very bottom.

Its funny because you usually tear people down when they use the "I Can't tell/ We can't know for sure because X has never existed." argument. I also love that your reasoning for why its better is based entirely around the invisible hand of the market. Not anything solid or structured, just magical free-market pixidust.

And again, you have stated multiple time in the past that you believe profit and business come before people. So why should anyone listen to you on matters of public safety and welfare?

There are certain thing the government should control because when run for profit they fail to adequately provide services to those in need, this is one of them.

I only do that with Communists.
It's not so much the invisible hand as competition creating the most ideal bussinesses. Like evolution. It sure as hell makes a lot more sense than a bunch of beurocrats running healthcare.

Your bussiness will attract more customers if it does its job right. In this case, healthcare. It will be profitable to provide good healthcare, thus, they will provide it.