If the Nazis won the Battle of Stalingrad?

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  1. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    Well what do you think? What if the German 6th Army captured Stalingrad? Would the Soviet Union be destroyed or go on fighting and still push the Germans out?

    In my opinion if the Nazis won the battle of Stalingrad it would of been a hammer blow to the Soviet Union but I don't think the Soviet Union would of surrendered.
  2. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    What part of the battle would the have won it at in this alternet history? Also, they probably would've rolled over the rest of the USSR eventually and be fighting a guerrila war while the Allies invaded from the West. There would likely not be a Communist Block, or even a Communist Russia maybe. China would've been taken by the Nationalists as well. In fact, the World might've been a lot better off now that I think about it.
  3. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Berlin would fall a couple on months later.
  4. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    This.
    They still would have been halted due to winter, giving the Soviets time to build up for a counter attack.
  5. Achtung Kommunisten! Well-Known Member

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    Depends how you define 'winning the battle of Stalingrad'. Rolling straight over the place = total victory for the Reich, as resources could be diverted somewhere more sensible. 'Winning' the battle, but with similar numbers of casualties as in reality = (I think) either the above (what MayorEmmanuel said) or it means a longer more unpredictable war. The fact there was a Stalingrad at all though is bad for the Germans, as it clearly wasn't the best move
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    They probably could have won the battle if Hitler didn't divert needed soldiers to the Ukraine.
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    Well, you can always criticize the other Axis displays on the Eastern Front. I would blame Romania for not protecting the flanks of Stalingrad. It came easy for the Soviet's to just storm through the Romanians defenses with no problems at all because the Romanians lacked anti-tank equipment, but that was most expected since Romania didn't have anything besides infantry and old Soviet & German tanks.

    I highly doubt the Soviet's would surrender if they managed to lose Stalingrad, it would only come down to a serious blow for the Red Army and the Soviet Union for losing a vital city and basically letting the German's gain access to the rich resources in the Caucasus. I personally still think the Soviet's could win the war but it would take longer, perhaps going into 1946 or 1947.
  8. yuri2045 A Marines Biologist

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    The Germans would get their much needed Oil from the Caucasus if they managed to hold there, even get help from Turkey, but surrendering was not in the USSR plans. Also at that point the Soviets were getting their reinforcements from siberia, so the Axis wouldn't last very long in there, the best guess is that Germany would lose maybe a year or two later.
  9. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I agree with this.
    Also, if the battle was won with similar casualties, even more troops would have been torn away from Africa and the Beaches and sent to Soviet Union, meaning easier and possibly earlier D-day....Maybe the Cold War would have been between USSR and America, except the Warsaw Pact would never have existed because America and he allies took all of that.
  10. TheFriendlypie Well-Known Member

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    That is not you're concern...
    Well firstly they would have to win the initial battle in the city and surrounding western bank areas of the Volga, then take the eastern side of the River and heavily fortify it from counterattack (the Luftwaffe would make sure of that). Then they would need to secure an even longer supply line as well as wait for reinforcements, it would be a logistical and economical nightmare (depending if they won in the middle of the battle that is).
  11. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    They might as well have just lost then....
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    That is not you're concern...
    They would lose a few months of the southern offensive because of that. The blitzkrieg tactics worked best for non-stop attack. The Germans would have to quickly adapt which they seemed best at doing.
  13. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    By the middle of the battle, it was winter, aka: Nazi attack still stopped, troops still moved into position, soviets still beat them back...unless the morale loss kills them...
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    That is not you're concern...
    I meant fall by middle (which was their last chance).
  15. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Your confusing me... :oops: :oops: :oops:
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    The Soviet's had a counter to Blitzkrieg and it certainly wouldn't adapt in the middle of the winter. Even if the Germans were to conquer the whole of Stalingrad and take control of the Volga, they would of died out like Napoleon's troops back in the 19th century.
  17. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    This is what i am trying to say....
  18. SovietEmpireUSSR Well-Known Member

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    Well, it's been said by me, not you. :D
  19. TheFriendlypie Well-Known Member

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    *Bangs head on table* Okay, I mean by Autumn or earlier if the Germans won that is the scenario they would receive afterwards.
  20. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    ohhhhhhhhhh
    sorry :oops:
    I see what you are getting at, but I don't think a victory THAT early is possible...

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