Is today’s society too open about sex?

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  1. JosefVStalin El Presidente

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    So I am currently writing a massive final paper defending Freudian Psychology (not an easy task, especially when you don’t buy most of it yourself.) but one of Freud’s major theory’s was that we are secretly bubbling cauldrons of sexual lust, and society’s morals demand we repress our sexual urges creating unconscious conflict between our sexual desires and moral duties which in terns creates anxiety. Now it seems that our society is becoming more and more open minded about sex and more willing to discuss it in public and this can either be a good or bad thing if you take a psychoanalytic approach. (Which I will do for shits and giggles) On the one hand us becoming more open about sex may decrease our anxiety because there is less unconscious moral conflict when it comes to fulfilling our sexual urges. On the other hand there may still be people who cling to the old values of society and the fact that sex is becoming a more open topic increases the intensity of the conflict to do their moral duties and creates more anxiety. This is all of course assuming you buy the fact we are actually bubbling cauldrons of sexual lust. This is something I can agree with Freud because on a personal level I think sex is something we all think about a lot, and I have noticed that the more open I am about sex the less anxiety I feel, and the more I am open about it with my current partner the better sex we have. So to answer my own question I don’t think our society is too open about sex, but isn’t open enough.
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    "This is something I can agree with Freud because on a personal level I think sex is something we all think about a lot, and I have noticed that the more open I am about sex the less anxiety I feel, and the more I am open about it with my current partner the better sex we have. So to answer my own question I don’t think our society is too open about sex, but isn’t open enough."
    I agree with this, I have always been open about sex with those closest to me. Sex isn't something to talk about with random strangers but there is no reason not to be open about it with those you know best. It's a normal part of life, so why treat it as a dirty thing never to be talked about normally?
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    I'm going to have to disagree with you, even though I am massively left, I take more of a conservative stance on this subject. I think society, western society that is, has been far to open about it since the 60's. I wont deny that everyone has the desire, but I believe the ability to control it is what separates us from other mammals. My last partner was very open about it, I found it very demeaning in our sense of humanity. He would bring it up all the time and it was just, in lamens terms, awkward.
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    If the prudes are made more anxious by open and honest discussions of sex, that's their problem not mine.

    I agree that we, as a society, should be more open about it. (Most) everybody does it at some point. The more open and honest we can be about it the better. Pretending that it doesn't happen actually hurts society. Things like "abstinence only" education denies teens the real information that should be free and readily available to them about consequences and responsibility. Perhaps we wouldn't have so many teen pregnancies and STD problems if that were the case. And things like homosexuality should not be demonized but just recognized for what it is, two people enjoying each others' affection. There's nothing immoral about that. The old values are what are immoral, trying to hide everything like it doesn't happen. With openness comes understanding and tolerance for everyone.
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    Screw old radicals, lets get naked!!!
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    Let's go streaking!
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    Like I said. Mammals.... >.>
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    Like I said: Screw you & lets get naked!!! Wohoooo!
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    I'm not a radical. I'm gay for Christs sake. It is just where do we draw the line. I think things were fine when this was kept in the bedroom.
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    But streaking in the bedroom wouldn't be any fun at all...
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    Oh, hell yes! So the first meet and greet for the forums is a streak-in then? Awesomeness.
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    For some reason a gay person being sexually conservative goes against my intuitions.
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    I realize how that sounds ridiculous, but as someone who is gay i find it damaging and counter-intuitive with all these other LGBT people being so open and sexual in public.

    Like I said though, I am totally fine with it in the privacy of your own home, or in the confidence of your partner, it would be hypocritical if I said I didn't agree with that. But in public it is awkward, annoying, and animalistic.
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    I think there's merit to that, but I also think that people shouldn't feel the need to hide their sexuality. It's a tricky question because on the one hand you don't want to superimpose your sense of morality onto anyone, but you can very easily run into de facto reverse discrimination of the nature you're concerned with. Unfortunately, I don't really have a concrete answer to the question at hand, the best I can do is a Stewart-esque, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it" (Jacobellis v. Ohio, a US supreme court case ruling on what constitutes pornography

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    By no means do I hide it, there is a difference between hiding it and not being open about it.
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    Especially because it makes the prudish types really agitated against it and they think all LGBT people are "parade gay". That's what I was talking about needing openness about sex and sexuality. It's not deviant, just different. Society needs to be educated into acceptance, not shocked into it.

    But nakedness is natural, hence my stance on streaking. Nothing sexual about it, just good clean fun. :)
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    But you can't try and change a core belief of society because it's a principle you agree with. If that's the logical basis of why we should change society, then what's to stop say a white supremest group from "educating" society into accepting their beliefs. I think there has to be a balance between allowed to freely practice a beliefs and shoving it down someone elses throat.
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    I agree with that, being gay I don't want that to be what defines me, nor should it be shoved down others throats.
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    I wasn't actually trying to correlate my stances on homosexuality and streaking, but I can see how it appeared differently there. Let me clarify.

    There is no reason that homosexuality should be seen as a negative. Just because it's different doesn't make it wrong. That's where openness and honesty about sex and sexuality should be educating people instead of the shock and awe tactics that some members of that community seem to like to do. Going around shoving it down peoples' throats doesn't help their cause. It only galvanizes the opposition against them. I'm against over the top showboating of sexuality, regardless of sexual alignment. Openness, to me, means frank and honest discourse. Not public displays of it.

    As the streaking goes, I support it as good clean fun. Yes, it can rock the boat a bit but it has nothing to do with sex. Nakedness is our natural state and if we were less hung up about sex as a society it wouldn't matter one iota. But choose the right time and place. Like the nude bike rides in Seattle and San Francisco which are organized events that the public is made aware of and can avoid if desired. The local elementary school is not the right place, but in an adult setting it can just be fun and spontaneous. We did it at my step brother's wedding. The whole wedding party participated and it was a riot. But it was the right place and time, nobody was offended.

    There is some relation between the two issues here. Ultimately, our society is too hung up about sex and, as a result, the human body also. But it's like the giant gorilla in the corner that everyone is trying to avoid recognizing. It's there, always has been, and always will be. No point in trying to ignore it. Instead we should embrace it, discuss it, and get over our society's Victorian prudishness about the whole matter. Europe is well far advanced (as a whole) in this issue. The US and Canada need to do some catching up. Yes, it may be a core belief. But it's a core belief that is flawed because it denies our human nature and stifles us.
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    Society is getting more and more open to sex and that's fine to me.

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