How does anyone believe that the Nazi's were the ones behind this? Katyn happened April 1940 and Germany didn't even invade Russia until June 1941, over a year later, and didn't reach Katyn until July. Here's the location of Katyn in reference to Smolensk.(Zoom out a bit until the detailed map disappears) http://maps.google.com/maps?q=54%C2%B0+ ... CBUQ8gEwAA Here's a map of the first few months of the German offensive. http://www.emersonkent.com/images/wwii_ ... august.jpg Note: God it was tough finding some good detailed maps. Thank god Wikipedia had the coordinates of Katyn because there were NO good maps of Smolensk that had Katyn on it(Katyn is a district of Smolensk). Also note the pre-invasion borders. Katyn isn't exactly close by. That's pretty DEEP into enemy territory for a covert operation with VERY high-profile objectives which would require many troops to accomplish. Not to mention that this operation accomplishes NOTHING strategically.
i wasnt aware anyone thought it was the Nazis that did it. :? its another of the many mass amsacares in teh era, thsi one jsut got a lot more attention.
There are just some hardline communists out there who can't bear the thought that the Soviet Union did anything bad.
To Soviet about the bullet theory: Source please. Please don't tell me this "evidence" was found by the "Special Commission for Determination and Investigation of the Shooting of Polish Prisoners of War by German-Fascist Invaders in Katyn Forest".
Okay, the argument stating the Nazis were responsible have two main points: statements made by Goebbels in his journal and the bullets. It's one particular statement made by Goebbels that everyone is latching on to: “Unfortunately, German ammunition has been found in the graves at Katyn … It is essential that this incident remains top secret. If it were to come to the knowledge of the enemy the whole Katyn affair would have to be dropped.” Take note that this statement isn't conclusive at-all that Germany was the perpetrator. It's simply stating that their major piece of propaganda against the Soviets was endangered of being dismissed. What also needs to be taken into account is another entry made earlier in his journal: "We are now using the discovery of 12,000 Polish officers, murdered by the GPU, for anti-Bolshevik propaganda on a grand style. We sent neutral journalists and Polish intellectuals to the spot where they were found. Their reports now reaching us from ahead are gruesome. The Führer has also given permission for us to hand out a drastic news item to the German press. I gave instructions to make the widest possible use of the propaganda material. We shall be able to live on it for a couple weeks." The mere fact that they are JOURNAL entries and not official documents with no real claims of German responsibility of Katyn means that Goebbels' journal entries shouldn't factor in as actual evidence. Until I see a source on the bullets theory, I won't bother arguing it right now.
http://www.freemediaproductions.info/Ed ... -massacre/ http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn.html Note: I would like you to go through this two links i've sent you, carefully. I don't want you to be put off by the link title "Stalinsociety" and just deliberately throw down marks saying, "It's all one sided" "It's all propaganda" so on....
Note that the first link doesn't state evidence beyond the claim that German bullets were found and the second one doesn't even mention German bullets. In-fact I think this whole bullet theory is entirely based around Goebbels' quote. Which doesn't conclusively say the Nazi's were responsible. The entire defense of the Soviets by these people is based on Soviet-provided evidence. While pretty-much the entire rest of the world, including the current Russian government, agrees that the Soviets were responsible. The Burdenko Commission(aka "Special Commission for Determination and Investigation of the Shooting of Polish Prisoners of War by German-Fascist Invaders in Katyn Forest" yes, that was the actual name), where most of the pro-Soviet evidence comes from, was commissioned by THE CHIEF OF THE PROPAGANDA DEPARTMENT OF THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE. http://books.google.com/books?id=SyimWf ... &q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=sO-KGz ... &q&f=false
IIRC german weapons were used at Katyn, I think it were Walther PPK's. Russian weapons were also used, for example the nagant m1895. The point is that PPK's were exported to dozens of countries not including private purchases, so generally it doesnt prove much.
Looking up sources and reading them to support my argument is a lot of work. I don't know how Kali can do it.
NKVD officers often favored German guns Like Mausers and Walthers. This is the link to the explanation why was German ammunition found. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin
People should see the documentary "Soviet Story". I cried when I saw many of the horrifying images. The Soviets were the greatest collaborators with the Nazis in World War II.
Also, didn't Russia publicly apologise for the massacre? Unless they were tired of the insults and just pretended to do it to keep people quiet. Ah diplomacy.
