Obamacare's Birthday

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  1. 1Historygenius Member

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    Today is Obamacare's birthday. If do not know what it is I will sum it up with a picture:

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    Here is a report I made for DA:

    This weekend marks the second anniversary of Obamacare. When he signed it into law last year (despite most polls showing the people did not want it) he probably did not know that some of its policies violate the Constitution and thus would have to be looked at in the Supreme Court.


    So is healthcare a basic human right.


    Well, many on the left think so and that is why it was shoved down our throats. However, the answer is rather obvious: NO!!!!!! Now I do believe everyone needs to have acess to affordable healthcare. The current system is not perfect and insurance companies should seriously looked at, however this is not an excuse to put in progressive medicine to kill off a free market because some people think it is a basic human right.


    A true basic human right would be the right to be able to do something and not receive something instead. Real basic human rights should belong to all of us unless we take other peoples' human rights. The government it taking other peoples' rights away when they say everyone should receive healthcare for free because when we have to pay for someone else's healthcare that takes away our right to keep what we earn. Human rights should not conflict with each other and that is the bottom line and they should also above all not make us slaves to our government.


    Also, by forcing people who do not believe in national healthcare to pay for other peoples' healthcare is also threatening their rights.


    Also, can you define healthcare? Its rather difficult to define healthcare. What does healthcare include? What is involved in healthcare? What does it do?


    Also what about clean water, food, houses, and clothes? Why isn't the government givign those away for free? Wouldn't those be seen as basic human rights to many liberals? This is a great danger in this age: people feeling entitled to everything and expect someone else to pay for it.
  3. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    I'm against entitlement programs, especially in the current system.
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    No double posting. That could have easily been posted in the OP. Free healthcare makes us slaves to the government? That made me laugh. It is not right that health care is privatized, not right at all. People in the health care industry should be concerned with one thing and one thing only, ensuring that people are treated not ensuring profit. I have seen people fall through the cracks of that system including my mother. We had to struggle to pay for meds that were to keep her alive and not in serious agony. We had to struggle to pay for her hospital visits. And guess what? We couldn't get much help from insurance or programs because she just fell through the cracks. She was extremely ill but profit came first. Health care is something that should be available to everyone for free, it's disgusting to put profit above human lives. No one should be turned away either because they don't have proper insurance or whatever. As for your last bit why shouldn't the government give away clean purified water? I'm a communist so I think all of the things on the last bit should be free.
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    I already said insurance companies need to be looked at, but national healthcare is not the answer. What is an OP?
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    Original post or original poster.
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    Thanks for the advice.
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    Insurance companies need to be looked at?

    There already doing exactly what they should be: Being A business.

    But, the thing is, a business is there for profit. There concerned with profit, not with your wellbeing. So people falling through the cracks is EXPECTED of a company. If it was the government though, we would not have that problem, because there not there for a profit.
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    Actually they are. Taxes from others.
  10. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Okay so you're basically supposing the primacy of property rights over liberty or life. That's an opinion but you run into the exact same problem you're levying against your opposition - it's basically just your own conception of rights versus theirs. If you want to take that route, you should argue the merit and morality behind property rights and why other rights are less important. You could very easily make an argument that if we hold the right to life paramount, it should follow that we should do everything we can to ensure for the life and well being of citizens, thus universal healthcare is easily justifiable under natural right theory. You can make a similar argument on the basis of property rights, but you don't explore this. In all your "also" paragraphs, you should go into at least some detail about what you mean by this. You kind of make broad claims without backing them up which strikes at the integrity of your piece.

    Ps: Who was this report for? I'm assuming you didn't mean District Attorney when you said DA...
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    The amount of times the word "right" is used in that post is enough to give a man a headache. Expect a a deduction on your overall grade due to repetition.

    Literally: Medical service (Or rather, access to medical services.)
    In America: Medical insurance

    Water, food, and clothes are in ample supply at an affordable price. While things like housing and healthcare (medical insurance) are a bit harder to both acquire and hold in this economy, which has caused the more socially liberal crowd to champion various government financial assistance programs. (In the name of social justice.)

    Where you see entailment, I see a demand for convenient service.
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    This is a leftist site and you be bashed for being Conservative... I think...?
  13. JosefVStalin El Presidente

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    Don't see anyone bashing him in this thread.
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    Well this is a leftist site right?
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    This is predominately a gaming site... On the internet....
  17. Chelsea366 Retired Moderator

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    Named after a communist leader but no, I would say it's fairly even. Maybe less so with some people leaving but still.
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    meh
    Well Conservative I have no problem I just hope he is not form the Republican Party
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    Alex, your not contributing to the conversation. At all.

    I've heard a lot about Canada's healthcare system. A lot of good things, but also a lot of people saying that it takes like 2 years to get an MRI, or a year to get a broken bone looked at. Can you please clear it up, for me?
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    Healthcare bottom line is good

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