"PORTUGUESE FASCIST PROPAGANDA (WITH TRANSLATION) "

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  1. crocve Well-Known Member

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    This is a propaganda video of the authoritarian dictactorship Estado Novo (the New State) that ruled Portugal from 1933 to 1974. In this video they call the dictactorship fascist, but thougth it had some influences of fascism, it was simply an authoritarian conservative regime.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Novo_(Portugal)

    Feel free to ask me any questions about the video.
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    PORTUGUESE FASCISM IS BEST FASCISM.
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    They were fascists just like Mussolini, the problem that people hear when hearing fascism is that they imediately think of it as Hitler's nazi part, that's wrong. Brazil had a Fascist government during the 1930-40s, Vargas ftw.
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    Aye, now Crocve has finally come out of his shell to expose his love for the conservative "fascistic" authoritarian regime. Took you long enough.

    If I'm simply going to respond with a positive attitude towards fascism I would have to say that British fascism was best fascism! I recommend you look up Mosley and his fascist and national socialist black shirts. Although they didn't gain power they simply didn't get enough votes, or Britain at the time wasn't obviously in the same sort of crisis situation like that of Germany which led to the rise of the national socialists. Economic/social crisis is fascism best friend to put it that way.
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    I've never actually heard of Portuguese fascism. Only Spanish, Italian, and of course German fascism.
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    I love the idea of fascism.
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    Just like Socialism... Right? :)
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    Tell that to the Latin Kings...
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    Finnaly I came and I can respond.

    I didn´t "came out of my shell" because I just showed the video for historical purposes.
    I´m a libertarian, not a fascist.

    I made that clear much before I showed this video.
    Stop saying such bullshit, your moron. When did I said something positive about the Estado Novo´s regime?

    What I was saying is that there is a difference between fascist dictactorships and simple authoritarian dictactorship. There is difference between the fascist and the "fascist" (epithet).

    Look what George Orwell said once: "It would seem that, as used, the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, youth hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I don't know what else."

    http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
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    Fascism vs Socialism go.
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    It's called a fucking joke, brah. xD

    Estado Novo who would support and want it back today in Portugal? I'm pretty sure a few people would want it back. I've been to Portugal before and most people I spoke to were either socialist or communists. And not to mention there was a lot of communist posters everywhere in the town I was staying in.

    People will tend to use the term fascism for all kinds of purposes, normally inflict it on a person or a group that has done something not in the interest of a certain person or group, for instance let's say hmm.......Some prime minister of Great Britain restrict and prohibit the right to smoke in or outside a public area, let's say a pub or restaurant (Which by the way is the law now in Britain) people would then in retaliation see that as some "fascistic" law been passed by the government. Anyone would throw around the term fascism on a individual or group which did something that wasn't in the best interest of you, so what do you do. Your immediate assumption would be to call them "fascists" or something else.

    I've done it in many cases, but I'm kind of like that. For example the NDAA bill being passed into law by Obama, my immediate response was the Senate and the president were bunch of fascists, so occasionally I will use the term fascism for all kinds of things. NDAA, SOPA, ACTA and PIPA to me are draconian which would probably be the right term to use.

    Course that goes with what Mr.Orwell said about the usage of the term fascism.

    What is like socialism again?
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    1933... That looks awfully familiar. Does it have to do with each other?
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    Indeed (it was also the year when Dolfuss got power in Austria). Actually, a military dictactorship rulled Portugal since 1926 and the Estado Novo began in 1933, when it´s constitution was created. Some historians divide the periods of 1926-1933 and 1933-1974 has two different dictactorships, while others believe that the dictactorship was the same one from 1926 alll the way to 1974.

    Salazar became prime-minister in 1932 (because as finance minister, he was considered really good), being it until 1968. A very weird guy, since he started as a monarchist, then as a christian democrat and ended up creating a dictactorship. He was indeed different from Hitler, Mussolini or Franco. While this people had a military past, Salazar was a teacher from an university.
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    Regardless of any of the good or bad the New State has done, it hurt my family, and caused them to leave Santa Miguel.
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    So, where the teachings heavily influenced by Hitler?
  16. crocve Well-Known Member

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    No. The dictactorships where ónly formed in the same year. There is no connection. Salazar didn´t liked true fascism, bcause he said, by his own words, that it was very influenced by paganism and because it was to violent and non-moral.
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    So Salazar's dictatorship was Christian?
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    Christian fascism ftw.
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    Yes. The dictactorship was very connected with the Catholic Church, which was considered in the 1933 Constitution as the main religion of the nation. That is one of the differences with regular fascism, since fascism defends a secular state (there were even jews in the fascist party of Mussolini, before the Italy got closer to Nazi Germany, and Mussolini himself was an atheist). Salazar´s dictactorship was more based in another ideology called integralism (an ideology which as some relation with fascism, but that it as many differences), which was a reactionary ideology.

    The idea of "clerical fascism" is denied by Roger Griffin, one of the great political theorists about fascism, since the ideology defends a secular state.
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    Is integralism also a populist movement? What are the major differences?

    I heard the fact that Mussolini had many Jews as friends, is mostly why Hitler and him hated each other this much.

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