The Pot or the Kettle?

Well, I am turning 21 in July. I was a year short for last election, and I finally get to vote.

Woo.

However, the current presidential candidates are less than... agreeable.

Obama is a leftist who places ALL the blame on Bush instead of owning up to mistakes and takes credit for other people's accomplishments. Romney is a douchewaffle and I feel like I disagree with not only everything he says but everything he is.

In comparison to Obama... he isn't very different. The only difference is I prefer Obama as a person but disagree with his policies far more and I hate Romney as a person and disagree with his policies slightly more.

I LOVE the idea of gay marriage, considering how I have a tendency of hanging out with Lesbians (my manager being a Lesbian, mind you) because they are fun people and deserve it. However, Obama just needs to accept blame for some of the things he has done. I am sure he is a great guy, but the entire blaming Bush for everything only lasts so long. Don't get me wrong, the Republicans are crapbags for accusing him of being born in Kenya and what other nonsense they have said, but... eh. I am not so impressed with his actions.

Romney, however... I don't know. I am not sure I CAN say a good thing about him. I personally don't think he can be trusted at all. With anything, really. He was a governor, a REPUBLICAN governor of a BLUE state. Man, how far backwards do you have to bend over just for that title?

And, I apologize to say, I LOATHE the Mormon faith. Reason being is that they try to appeal to foreigners as the "American" religion. Its bad enough when a people isn't respected by the locals, but to through away their religion just so they might get accepted is bullshit. Some of my aunts who are STRAIGHT from Mexico are Mormons now. I love them to death, but I hate their religion that much more simply because of that.

*cough* Apologies. I could go on about Mormons, but that is completely off topic.

As I have said... Obama has not impressed me with his last term. Romney has not impressed me with his very being.

Strange that I find myself asking this, but eh. What is the worst that can happen (apart from forum stuff like derailing, trolls, invalid arguments, cats everywhere, and what other nonsense I have neglected to mention). Will I have to vote for an independent party or should I just wait and see if someone can steal my vote? Do you think either of them will read Comrade Stalin's speeches?

Please never combine the words 'Obama' and 'Leftist' in the same sentence, ever again. Obama is far from a leftist - By international standards, he is a conservative. Hell, liberalism in general is a right-wing ideology, especially so the American variant of 'Liberalism' (Which again, is more like classical conservatism).

Obama is a lying, reactionary murderer. Hell, liberals in general are wanna-be leftist douche bags. We don't want them, we don't associate them, we have never associated with them.

In terms of who you should vote for though - Both of your parties are ideologically, and economically more or the less the same thing, differing only on some social issues. So in short, it doesn't really matter, as you are guaranteed more or less the same ride.

How is Obama a Murderer?

An indirect murderer, rather - By personally authorizing drone strikes on civilians, by ordering the bombing of Libya. and a bunch of other shit.

OP, I have no idea how you think Obama has blamed Bush for everything. Obama doesn't even assign blame in most cases. He takes credit, certainly, but his political image and campaign only require that he defend the status quo. And, frankly, a lot of the status quo can be attributed, at least in part, to Bush. Most Americans, and rightly so, think of the Bush administration negatively. However, most Americans also have a positive image of President Bush. This is why Obama and Bush have been on such good terms and why "blaming Bush" isn't actually a tactic. The policies that Bush enacted were very large and, for American politics, quite radical. Because of that, they can't easily be nullified, and certainly not reversed, within a single term. Obama has been forced to deal with the hand he was dealt, and he's done a damn good job with it.

Now you can vote for who you want, but it'll be Obama or Romney. It may not seem like it yet (especially in Romney's case), but most Americans want one of those two people to be the next President of the United States. They might think some other people would do a better job, but they don't think those other people can cut it as a presidential candidate, and they don't consider those alternatives practical. They're right. Cling to your ideology all you want, but at the end of the day, the only way to get things done is to operate within the system you live in. In the US, that means picking a candidate who is both likely to win and likely to succeed in his job. For me, the choice is obvious. Obama has done an excellent job (hell of a lot better than I expected, that's for sure) and I have full faith and confidence in his ability to lead America into a brighter future.

He's not. Remember, you're responding to Ler, here.

The voting age is 18...

Romney, however... I don't know. I am not sure I CAN say a good thing about him. I personally don't think he can be trusted at all. With anything, really. He was a governor, a REPUBLICAN governor of a BLUE state. Man, how far backwards do you have to bend over just for that title?[/B]

What the hell does that mean? Blue states can elect Republicans just fine! Have you even looked into why he won? I am no Mitt fan but it is silly to say you can't trust him because he was the governor of a blue state. Hell, I live in Arkansas & we have a Democratic Governor.

And, I apologize to say, I LOATHE the Mormon faith. Reason being is that they try to appeal to foreigners as the "American" religion. Its bad enough when a people isn't respected by the locals, but to through away their religion just so they might get accepted is bullshit. Some of my aunts who are STRAIGHT from Mexico are Mormons now. I love them to death, but I hate their religion that much more simply because of that.[/B]

I would like you to find Romney doing that to anyone. I urge you to find him acting like that. You are totally discriminating against Mormons by saying they all act like that.


Strange that I find myself asking this, but eh. What is the worst that can happen (apart from forum stuff like derailing, trolls, invalid arguments, cats everywhere, and what other nonsense I have neglected to mention). Will I have to vote for an independent party or should I just wait and see if someone can steal my vote? Do you think either of them will read Comrade Stalin's speeches?[/B]

I don't know, maybe if you actually go look at the candidates & don't judge them on their religion or if they came from a blue state or red state you could make that call for your self.

That's exactly what i was going to say!! But ler caught me off guard.

alot of american presidents are murderers.
i think obama is the best candidate because he dosent really do anything,
which means the world is safe for atleast 4 years if he is elected.

For those questioning the voting age, I was a YEAR short. I said this, I was 17 when McCain and Obama ran. Not old enough to vote, so I get to vote this year.

Make sense?

@RickPerryLover I have not judged him by his religion, I have judged his religion. I have had a negative opinion about him for other things.

"The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama’s three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency. The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office. The latest posting from the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department shows the National Debt now stands at $15.566 trillion. It was $10.626 trillion on President Bush’s last day in office, which coincided with President Obama’s first day. Mr. Obama has been quick to blame his predecessor for the soaring Debt, saying Mr. Bush paid for two wars and a Medicare prescription drug program with borrowed funds." -CBS



I could find more, but I am a bit lazy. In the video, he doesn't directly blame Bush, he kinda pussyfooted around it. But he did say enough to qualify for blaming him. Its all in the context, Kali.

Now, Ler... I assure you, I had no intent to offend you. However, for me he is a Leftist. For you, he is a disappointment. In the end, all political runners aren't that different (as you say, I agree there), which kinda sucks but its fine. I don't like either politician, the top reason I brought this up is for better insight as to where I might place my vote best.

I'm guessing Ler is going with the entire "Obama uses predator drones thus a murderer"

But you will have a negative opinion about him because he was the governor of a blue state. Really! Really? Really.

I'm sorry but that's wrong*. This is the real deficit incurred:

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...h-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html
*Or at least a very distorted image of what really happened/is happening.

Don't listen to Ler, he's just a socialists who wants to set the world on fire and anyone who disagrees with his ideology or supports the west is a fascists asshole murdering douchebag who wants to destroy the world.



Anyway, how do you expect Obama to do anything when congress is controlled by republicans who are hell bent on opposing EVERYTHING he proposes. The only reason we nearly defaulted is because the republicans in Congress are idiotic assholes who think they are a bunch of Einstein's.

Romney is out of touch with the rest of the country just like G.W.Bush, Romney will most likely worry about the benifit's of rich people like himself instaid of the poor and the middle class. Romney is also a mormom, which is a biggoted backward religion that even 1930 nazis would not think was true but the sad truth is that it is.

@slydessertfox True. So, that means the only person of the two who can negotiate with congress would be Romney. Not sure how much would change as a whole, I am not so sure what direction we would be going, but at least we will be going somewhere.

@RickPerryLover Not so much, but it does fuel my suspicions. If he were a blue governor of a blue state, I wouldn't really have cared. There are some things politicians do just to get votes. It is often harder for a Republican to succeed where Democrats tend to dominate and visa versa. How did he get that honor? Distrust stems from assumptions and I am assuming the worst.

Well golly gee I wish we could all live in Assumed Town. Where facts are no where in sight & stuff is just thought up!

Take my advice, actually look at the damn election instead of seeing its a blue state & assuming. His opponent, what money was spent, etc.

I suppose you are right. If this is the case, however, would you mind directing me in the right direction (pun not intended)? Considering most things on the internet is composed of slander and other similar nonsense along with most news outlets.

So, any ideas?

This is a fine sum up of the race, for Wikipedia at least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_gubernatorial_election,_2002

a couple of things
1) why is everyone so mad at ozan, am I just way to chill?
2)Ozan you said you were 21 in the OP so I dont know if it was a typo or whatever
3)both canditates suck, its like comparing two bowls of shit one of them however(Obama) sucks just a little less so vote for him if you want, at least he's not a copy/paste republican(minus the mormonism).

Came in for discussion about pots and kettles, got Politics.