Basically what it says. Canon limitations: Warhammer 40K: I don't see anything that needs to be pruned. Star Wars: Umm... don't get me started. Let's just keep it sane, ok? Timing: Warhammer 40K: Founding of the Imperium to present. Star Wars: Pre-Mandalorian Wars to the ending of The Jedi Returns.
Since nobody really has started yet, I'll put up the first, actually on-topic post: I assert that Warhammer 40K would win under these conditions against the set Star Wars groups.
Damn! I wrote a long couple of paragraphs... and then i backspaced. Fawk! Anyways. The Imperial fleet is a massive undertaking to even be compared to. Able to support 25,000 Star Destroyer, tens of Super Star Destroyers, and many other personalized kinds, and able to have trillions of men, specialized, working in the navy, onboard the several million ships that are above frigate level in the navy. This of course does not calculate the hundreds of million of fighters and fighter pilots, who have all been trained remarkably well. Not to mention the almost unlimited supply of clones and cadets from the worlds around the Empire, and from the Spaarti cloning chambers favored by the Emperor for the fast and cheap way to make million, billions, and trillions of men to garrison his worlds and fill his divisions. Now, this is not also factoring in the ingenuity of the officers of the Empire. The Imperial Fleet's officers had traditions that went back to the days of the Ruusan Reformation, and before that. They were all extremely well trained, and there rigorous acceptance schooling weeds out bad officers. The actual non-clones in the Imperial Fleet, are very, very loyal, and at the same time, extremely well trained. Planets like Carida, or Coruscant, or innumerable training academies made all men of the Imperial Fleet extremely well trained. This doesnt factor in the flash training of clones, of course, who were, in there own right, very excellent at what they did. In the Imperial Army, the same can be said for it's officers and soldiers, including those of the Stormtrooper units. The Imperial Army had large amounts of mechanized weaponry, is extremely well armed and trained, and has the support of multiple Stormtrooper divisions, if a mission is deemed important enough. They always have the backing of the navy, and in addition to the navies multiple trillions of men, the Imperial Army ALSO has more then that, up to roughly 10 trillion, not including local planetary forces. As you can see by the sheer numbers, and by the rigorous training, and by the military tradition, and by the technologically advanced hyperspace drived( which is superior to the Warhammer drive) and superior weaponry, the Star Wars universe would, without a doubt, Win. Boom.
Go back further from the Imperial Army, and the Old Republic can say the same. Though, it had added weapons on its side, that of the Jedi, who would definetly even the score of many battles, and would add morale and a new officers corp to the Republic. +boom.
I'll answer... not tommorow... lots of work to do. I'll get to it when I can. Refer to thsi thread: http://josefvstalin.com/threads/imperium-of-man-vs-the-galactic-empire.4290/ for some of the counters that I will bring up. But for now: Double post. BOOM. Your argument is invalid.
Didn't the Empire abandon the cloning projects before the timeframe of the original movies? Also, I do think the Old Republic had quite inferior weaponry when compared to the Empire.
From what I understand, yes, they abandoned cloning en masse. But they still had important cloning operations. Namely, that of cloning the Emperor after his humiliating defeat. Relative. But yes, logic would say that. In many cases, ancient technology in the SW universe is superior to the modern ones. Please source. I have never heard of the GE having such numbers. Also, Spaati clones SUCK. They lowered the droid to clone ratio from 40-1 to 5-1. And the Imperium HAS mass-scale cloning. The GE lasted, what? A couple of decades. And the Grand Republic a thousand years before that. There were massive times of peace in between. The Imperium, on the other hand, has endured 10,000 years of continuous warfare on and over millions of worlds. Their traditons are longer and more experienced. Derp. This is in no way conductive to either side. The Imperium is inhabited by trillions of restless fanatics devoted to the God Emperor of Mankind. Not to mention that the people of the GE actually hate the GE. Which is why they were happy to rebel. As are the soldiers of the Imperium. Now I strike at the heart of the matter: planetary specialization in the GE. As opposed to the Imperium, which has hundreds of thousands of worlds that create their own armadas, soldiers, weapons, etc., the GE has a handful of specialized worlds and a ton of useless ones. These worlds of the GE have some special to make them productive, whether it is a talented population, abundent resources, or some other. The Imperium has standardization across hundreds of thousands of worlds. Are you suggesting that the Adeptus Mechanicus is slacking in their duties? I'm pretty sure that the mobile titans would do very well kicking over the AT-ATs and squashing AT-STs under their boots. I don't know where you got those numbers, but they are actually smaller than the Imperiums'. If the Mandalorian Wars, the Yuuzhan Vong War, or the Fall of the Jedi at the end of the Grand Republic prior to the rise of the GE can tell us anything, it is that Jedi are not that powerful. In all of these wars, the Jedi fell in droves to common soldiers armed with guns, not massive numbers of Sith armed with lightsabers. The Mandalorian Wars were only won because of Revan and Revan alone. And Revan is mortal. The Yuuzhan Vong War was won by sheer dumb luck, a duec ex machinma monment. When the Reupublic was falling, the soldiers were dead, the ships were in flames, they managed to find a living planet that won the day. *I know that I said that I would post some other time, but I had some spare time on my hands.
On Wookiepedia, the Empire's numbers are indeed described with trillions. Also, if you'd look at a Titan, they would fall over on any world with the slightest bit of gravity, not to mention transporting them is an absolute pain.
As would many sci-fi creations. That is no explination. The fact is the Titans CAN stand up in gravity. And yes, from what I read in 'Titanicus' transporting them is slightly... difficult. But it depends on what kind you are transporting. And remember: Titans are not the only kind of mechanized unit that the Imperium has. Dang you! I was saving that for later. You know, if it is actually needed. According to Wookieepedia, at its height, it only owned 500 worlds with slave species on them. Hardly a balence to the Imperium on the scales. Or the Necrons. And by all evidence, the Star Forge had a lesser annunal output than the common Imperium world, let alone the Forge Worlds.
True, I think Lucy posted a picture with Titans with different sizes, the smallest being slightly larger than an AT-AT, I think, so transporting these would be a hell of a lot easier than those giant ones. And while I can appreciate the Imperium for making pretty much anything look badass, the Titans certainly could've used a handier design. Also, what other vehicles do they have next to the Titans? From browsing the GW website, I remember a few tanks (like the Rhino), the Land Speeder and those bikes, how many others are there? 500? 500? Seriously, how many zeroes did my mind add on its own? I was under the impression it was significantly larger...strange.
The Titans are primarily manufactured, owned, and used by the Adeptus Mechanicus. The other groups like the Adeptus Astrates, IG, etc. have their own mechanical creations with which to wage war. So did I, until I looked it up. Its the affect of having a name like 'infinite' I think.
the imperial guard have many many different tanks and such, there is the standard leman russ battle tank's and stuff but many imperium worlds also make there own designs to a point. as a rule of thumb it's easyer to say the IG have tank for anything and everything.
Star Wars universe would win. I found quite a few stats, compared them together, and star wars is as small as 40 quadrillion people larger, up to as much as 300 quadrillion people larger. Star Wars has a larger base, and seeing as how the Imperial Guard is supposed to be just masses of conscript soldiers, i would say that the Main Navy and army of the Star Wars Universe, depending on the empire, could easily defeat anything sent at them, based off of experience, numbers, and sheer better firepower. so nyeah
