Continuation of The Ler Argument

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  1. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I just thought that while the thread was locked, I think this debate should not just die off with it, because I think it is an important one. I an not gonna state any opinion here (not yet at least), as frankly, I am still looking into both sides of the argument as much as I can. But if any of you who were in the debate wanna continue it here, or if anybody wanted to say something but could not do to the thread being locked, they can here. Here's a link for those who have no idea what I'm talking about (read all 3 pages if you wanna understand the whole thing) http://josefvstalin.com/threads/lers-campaign-thread.7092/
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    Honestly...that's just a ridiculous discussion from both sides.
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  3. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I don't like that Kali said "10 year old commies". First, I GUAREN-FUCKING-TEE there are no 10 year olds on this sight. My brother is 10, he can barely type or navigate the internet. Second, if there WAS a 10 year old, he would not be a "commie". In fact, most wouldn't know what a "commie" is, and those that do would not have yet made a choice on political ideology. Furthermore, any 10 year old on these forums would most likely have been born and raised in the US or a European country, in which case said child would have no memory of anything before 9/11 and would have been indoctrinated to hate everything but good capitalists. In fact, a 10 year old would probably see the banner "stalin", and leave the site, believing it to be some sort of terrorist infested communist ridden rallying point for revolutionaries.
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    Kali just really fucking hates communists. He has said worse and more ignorant things.
  5. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I know, but given the fact I am a socialist, and one of the younger people on the website, making me sensitive to age discrimination, this really pissed me off.
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    Not 10 year olds, maybe that's an exaggeration, but I know for a fact that there are 12 year olds on here. Your brother must be handicapped, because my 11 year old brother can navigate the internet perfectly, as well as play GTA. Stop generalizing. 10 year olds can be smart at times, smart enough to understand political ideologies. A 10 year old on these forums would have a memory of 9/11. I tell 9/11 jokes all the time.
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    I was hoping Kali would apologize for this whole nonsense when he appeared, but his post was really just a bunch of smears against me. I don't really have much to add on top of what fucking faggot said besides the fact the agreement we made was predicated on him staying on the site, and I thought I made that clear but apparently I didn't. And that's ok if Kali misunderstood what I said but it is really uncalled for him to come back on these forums and try to call me a liar when it was him that nullified any agreement.
  8. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    A 10 year old would have been born after 9/11....and no my brother isn't handicapped, and is great at games. My parents have just never taught him about the internet, and neither does the school. So its left to me to teach him, which is hard to do =P. BTW he might be autistic and he definitely had major trouble with memory and concentration so....
    Also, 10 year olds can be smart, and SOME understand political ideologies. But many 9th graders don't understand communism from my experience either so...XD
    And I don't trust a 10 year old to form a concrete choice about his/her politics, sometimes I switch around a little myself still but I am pretty confident in my socialist ideology now.
  9. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    There is no fucking way your brother is autistic.
  10. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    That's what I think too. But both my parents have their suspicions. I think hes just a loudmouth troublemaker =P
    (this is Ben we are talking about).
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    So much drama. Where are Ofelia and Hamlet? Cmon, I want to see someone commiting suicide, yeeeaaah!
  12. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    You are horrible, evil people. Honestly, stop this, this is exactly the thing that makes people not want to come here anymore.
  13. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    I would like to point out that I did not start, nor try to continue that shit flinging fest. All it does is stress me out, and I'm sick of it. I think we should just drop this bullshit.
  14. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I just thought it should be continued because I didnt think it was over when the thread was locked. That was my opinion and if people still want to state their opinion on the matter, they can do it here.
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  15. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    On the contrary, people come to internet forums TO argue.
  16. Chelsea366 Retired Moderator

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    Not really, that depends on the forum. Not everyone comes here to argue, some come here to discuss and watch games and generally have a good time talking about things they like.
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    Yeah, that's why the forum has different sections. Obviously, people who don't like debating/taking sides probably won't go to the coffee house threads, but they would still go to off-topic or the Let's Play areas.
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    Well, I find a lot of the fun in the simulation of politics that goes on in the forums. Thats why I'm not opposed to the elections and stuff, I find enjoyment in running for office and stuff.

    EDIT: In fact, I think later I might post a political roleplaying game in the roleplaying section!! Then I can show off all the new political "tricks" I've learned reading robert harris.
  19. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    I'm no expert on Forums, trust me, this is the only forum I've ever actually created an account on. But I can assure you, that this is not a place of aggrevation and hatred.
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    Kali loves to make himself sound important. If you take what he said at face value, you might be swayed. While a large amount of well constructed text with many large words might be initially appear daunting, if you examine what he said, you'd find that a lot of it was baseless, incorrect, unfair, or just plain crazy.

    Given the circumstances, Stalin had every right to make a public call for Matt to clarify his identity. He was tired of Matt's constant dodging, and was uneasy with giving power to someone he couldn't trust. Kali saying that the reason behind it was "undoubtedly because of your relationship with Ler" was laughable. It might be easy for you to say "meh he was a good mod and good contributor", but put yourself in Stalin's shoes. He was giving a large degree of control of his property to someone he was unsure about. And we aren't talking about borrowing a book or something. This site is Stalin's greatest work and achievement (a much greater one than any of you have), something he has poured several thousands of hours into, not to mention a great deal of blood, sweat and tears. How dare Kali claim that everything was fine and dandy. How dare Kali claim that Stalin did it simply and solely to please the wishes of Ler, and to defame Matt. Only someone as narrow minded, short sighted and paranoid as Kali could spew such rubbish. Shame on any of you who believed it. Having an alter-ego is fine, but falsely claiming that it is your real life when you are a mod isn't. Additionally, Matt left entirely of his own accord. Like Kali, he took the easy and cowardly way out, only offering a very weak explanation before fleeing.

    Ler is far from a perfect person, but he has shown a change in attitude in recent weeks. I think it's been a while since any hate speech has come from him, and he has even made a public apology and admitted wrongdoing. Something that must have taken a considerable amount of effort. Something Kali definitely should but never in a million years will do. He is very far form the demon and sole cause of everything wrong with the forums in the past 3 months that Kali makes him out to be. Chelsea and Uni deny leaking inside information to Ler, and have dismissed Kali's claims of Ler controlling forum policy many times, and that is all I need

    I suppourt Stalin when he says that any deal between himself and Kali went out the window when Kali flew the coop without a word. Stalin invested a great deal of trust and responsibility in Kali that Kali shat on when he dropped everything and ran off. And yes, that's exactly what he did, I don't buy any of that crap about "I thought that I could end the factionalism that had taken root in the site by leaving it of my own accord". Kali has some degree of intelligence and pessimism, he never believed that. He either saw the opportunity to make himself appear a noble, selfless martyr (because Kali has always been like that, right?) or he's just plain insane. Why would Stalin honour an agreement with someone who had dropped off the face of the Earth, much less a person who had spat in his face while doing so?

    Kali might appear intelligent, but I can assure you that he is much less than he makes himself seem. He has become paranoid and his behaviour is irrational. He is a scumbag for insinuating that Stalin is dishonourable for not keeping to a nullified agreement. He is a fool for thinking he can convince anyone that he is moral. Someone else, maybe. But not Kali. Not someone who has proven time and time again otherwise, no matter how effectively he argues to the contrary.
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