Atheism

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Demondaze, May 9, 2011.

  1. D3VIL Well-Known Member

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    Why?
  2. Lennins Beard Well-Known Member

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    Because it's an all intelligent being that probably doesn't have a physical form.
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    Because it's an all intelligent being that probably doesn't have a physical form.[/quote:1gh1ak85]

    Why not?
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    Why not?[/quote]

    Omnipotent beings should be able to be unaffectable by certain conditions of being a physical form.
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    Who said that the god(s) isn't/aren't physical?
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    Because it would make more sense as too why we can't visibly see there affects on reality.
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    Presumably he/she/they would be beyond the Universe and you can be as physical as you want there.
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  9. Lennins Beard Well-Known Member

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    True, but I don't think it would require a gender. And the idea of two genders probably isn't universal. Some races on far off planets might have ridiculous amounts of genders.
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    FSM... Totally. No gender!
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    I doubt alien races have many genders. Less is better in terms of evolution.
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    According to our knowledge of the subject. Really we're limited to only studying the life in our planet.
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    No, its quite obvious. Less genders= easier to reproduce= more organisms. The only drawbacks are less diversity of genes.
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    Small fact for you, there is more genetic diversity in a group of 180 monkeys than the entire human population.
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    First off let me say this.

    I'm inclined to let anyone believe what they want to. It's their life, and while some people cause harm by religious beliefs, the vast majority don't... so as long as you are not hurting anyone, believe what you want to believe. Just don't shove it down my throat.
    Yes I am religious, but I like to take an abstract view of things as well.

    This topic is about atheism, which I actually believe comes in many flavours, but people all lump it under the same banner. The vast majority of atheists in my estimation don't give a crap about religion or even generally think of it in their every day lives. They might even be more agnostic (i'll find out when I die) rather than the super sceptical (There is no God).

    It's the latter I class as True Atheists. The ones with such fervent belief of such a thing that they actually tend to be almost religious about it. It seems funny to say it, but I do think of these type of Atheists as religious. I have a lot of time for atheists. Many of the people I admire and look up to are. Douglas Adams, Penn and Teller, JMS and Joss Whedon as a few examples. I've had many a friendly argument with atheist friends who deny that atheism is a belief system at all. They can't seem to understand when they say "Prove to me God exists!" and I counter with "Prove God doesn't exist." They say the burden of proof is on me of course, but I always say that is dodging the issue. I'm perfectly happy with my religious beliefs, which let me tell you are not exactly mainstream, but are also not "far out".
    There are indeed some atheist religions in the world, but generally I try to point out to them that while you may think the burden of proof is on me. You also have to say that what you say is only a belief based on faith as well. You have faith that God doesn't exist. You don't have proof any more than I do, but we choose to believe the opposite.

    "Ah but" the cry goes up. "Logic" comes into play. Science says that there can't be any supernatural element to our lives. I counter that Science doesn't say that. Science never deals in absolutes. There are always more questions to be answered. Science will never say that God does not exist, because science is not a belief system. It deals in unanswered questions and tries to answer them using the scientific method. So then there's the usual counter to that. "Okay so science only deals in probabilities then. Probably there is no God!" My answer is the same. Faith lies in the probability. For you it is the probability that there is no God, for me there is the probability that there is.

    People choose what they want to believe. (Those that have religion forced on them is something I abhor. I raised my daughter outside religion and she can make up her own mind)

    For them science shows the lack of a supernatural entity. For me science shows us how the supernatural entity did it. It lifts the veil, and no i'm not a creationist. I believe in the theory of evolution, and that it should be taught in science class as it was taught to me.

    The key thing is, that it is an unprovable notion, and it is silly to argue if God exists or doesn't We will all find out one day for definite. We should stop forcing religion on those who don't want it, and we should encourage freedom of thought. Religion can be a great teacher of morals, but is also not the sole teacher of morals. Also it is important to remember that the message can be skewed by the messenger. We should all question those that proclaim authority on a subject. That way extremism lies.
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    You are making the claim that a god exists, therefore you have the burden of proof, it's really quite simple.

    It's not a belief based on faith, it's not even a belief, it's a lack of a belief.

    Nope. That's not what atheism is. Atheism is a lack of a belief in a god or gods, it's the default position.
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    Spot on CorB!
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    Don't be trolling Link.
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    Whoah, finally someone with a semblance of an echo of my views on the subject.

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