Capitalism vs. Communism

I think it would be more correct to say that China is doing the best job at capitalism in the world, rather than it being the most capitalist.

@ Carthage - If a single private corporation exists in a country, it is capitalist. Hell, the US is one of the most right wing countries on earth - the democrats are conservatives, and the Republicans are reactionaries. The whole 'THE US IS SOCIALIST' crap is just the right wing trying to blame all of their fuck ups onto the left.

Pff, I wish the Democrats were Conservative.

By international standards, they are.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

Eh, still to Liberal for my tastes.

This pretty much nails my oppinions of the matter perfectly, however, I will say that I would prefer to be for the people in times where human rights and human lives are being questioned and/or exploited, rather than benefit the growth of nations (or Empires, whichever) and business at the expense of people and their belongings.

I didn't say the US was socialist, I said speciffically that the US is right between Capitalism and Socialism or at least moving towards Socialism.

One more topic about this?

First I would put socialism instead of communism, since the last was never experienced in a national level (you know, a nation without a state, where there is common ownership of things).

And capitalism is the best. I could spend a lot of time giving many examples and arguments but it is unecessary.

They are by international standards.

Yep. Capitalism - works for 1% of people in 1 out of every 10 cases. By the way, how is Somalia doing? I heard they are giving Libertarianism a try.

Edit: In short, Libertarianism and the whole 'US IS SOCIALIST' movement is basically a last ditch response to the failiures of Capitalism. The far right, the bourgeois and the politicians realize that people are noticing their system is failing - So they cover their ears and shout 'IT'S NOT REAL CAPITALISM' and make up this big, extravagant conspiracy theory to justify their doing so. Unfortunately, a lot of people are gullible twits, and have fallen for it. Face it, Capitalism has been tried, and it has failed. It's time to move on.

I actually am for a more Capitalistic America. I was merely stating that America has signs of moving towards Socialism which I would not like to see. No one has said that the US was Socialist. Have you not read this thread? Don't assume things until they are actually said.

Semi-Universal healthcare/piss poor social safety nets do NOT equal socialist. When more than 2/3 of the corporations in the US are state owned, Healthcare is completely free for everybody, Education is completely free on all levels, housing is completely free, military spending is cut by 2/3, and every current US politician is thrown in jail - Then, and only then will you be nearly half way to socialism. Right now though, you're among the most right wing capitalist nations on earth.

Again you are assuming that I said "THE US IS SOCIALIST," which I never said. I said America is between Socialism and Capitalism which America is basically moving towards but I would like to see the US as a Capitalist nation.

And what I am saying is that the US is nowhere near between the two. It is completely sealed in and chained to the capitalist side of the fence. When all of my above requirements are met, it will be 'between socialism and capitalism'.

The US has multiple social unions which are a basic part of Socialism.

And to say Capitalism doesn't work is complete bullshit. Capitalism allows the laborers to in turn get their own Capital and it makes the people with Capitals have to compete with other people with Capitals for laborers which in turn makes some of those owners go out of buisness and then they become the laborers and then they could in turn get some Capital. Capitalism is like a cycle.

Edit:
http://www.newgeography.com/content/00457-is-us-capitalist-socialist-or-something-in-between

Dude, you are a great comedian! Because of Capitalism, we had the greatest boast of life expectancy, wealth and of population in the West since the 19th century, when Capitalism became more of a reality. If you would comapre the wealth of the population of the Warsaw Pact with the countries of Nato, the last ones were much wealthier and had more economic prosperity. If Capitalism failed, then the USSR would had won the Cold War. But it didn´t and the peoples of Eastern Europe rebelled against their opressive soviet-style socialist governments, while the democratic and capitalist continued to exist.

Somalia is libertarian? When? How? Is it rulled by a libertarian party? Did someone there advocated libertarian ideals? NO. Somalia is in it´s actual state because of civil war.

The US is not socialist. It has a mixed economy. But Obama is trying to move it towards socialism.

The far-right? Who are those guys? Libertarianism does not believe in the old political spectrum and it has no position in it.

The system is failing? Where did you got that information? Most economies are now recovering.

Yes, because marxism certainly had a great sucess. (irony)

Stop trying to tell us what we believe.

Capitalism works if you're upper middle class/upper class. Right now though, life is hell for everybody below a certain line of income. People are starving on a massive level, millions are dying of easily preventable diseases, and many more in poverty - This suffering is not only caused by capitalism, it is physically required by capitalism, to work.

Socialism is not 'Perfect' or 'Utopian' but it -will- end all of this bullshit suffering, give everybody a far better quality of life, give us a far more democratic society, and offer a much more effective economic system. It will literally solve 90% of the problems we face on the planet, plus it is the only 'Moral' economic system. Does it need to be said that Capitalism and Christianity are completely incompatible?.

Edit: Crocve- You're harming your side's argument here more than you are helping it.

Did you not watch the video? Apparantley you didn't. Did you not read my paragraph? Obviously not or you wouldn't have made that statement.

No the U.S. is not in the middle there is a a very minute socialism if you call unions and social security socialism which they are not. The guy in the video does not know what Socialism is id he thinks America is in between.

They didn't rebel against their governments.Most of the changes in system were by reform other than exceptions of Romania and Bulgaria.Well in Bulgaria there were only demonstrations that got suppressed,then the govment reformed.

So because we are in a recession, capitalism has failed? What about the previous recessions we were in that we got ourselves out of? In 10 years max, America would probably be right back to where it was in per-recession times.