CAPITALISTISM STUPID, OR STUPID AND PSYCHOTIC?

Yup.

Whoa, "Wallstreet" isn't corrupt, they're nothing but bankers and business leaders, they have no responsibility to corrupt. They are just private citizens. Unlike governments, who do have social responsibilities.

Now I lost you. That makes very little sense. We want to minimize government, take away power. You seem to have us mixed up with fascists.

Now I know you're crazy. Where did you even get such an insane idea from? Legalizing slavery? Nobody wants that! That's sick, barbaric. That seems more akin to total anarchy.

http://mises.org/daily/4761
It may be worth mentioning that Ron Paul believes in Mises-economics.
To be fair, that is also one of the more.. Gently put articles on it. I've seen Libertarians flat out say that people should be allowed to own other people.

I ain't no end the fed type folk, but there is a abundance of problems with this post.

You do realize that Libertarians want less government power, right? The very thought of a libertarian surrendering any amount of power to a higher authority makes Ron Paul turn in his sleep.

That isn't a libertarian ideal at it's core, nor is it sponsored by any of it's major schools of thought. Also, Ron Paul is hardly the sole representative of libertarianism, and him holding said belief hardly makes it a integral part of the his core ideology. Also, any libertarian that sponsors slavery is probably just stupid.

I would advise either reading up on your shit or sticking to commie dogma.

That article made perfect sense, and nowhere in it does it mention legalizing slavery, or does it even mention slavery at all. Now you're just trying to make libertarianism look bad by pulling crazy ideas about the ideology out your ass.

Also, I don't give a damn about what Ron Paul thinks, he's just one guy. Regardless of whether or not we share similar or contradictory beliefs.

Sounds like Communism.

Because chaining 12 year old girls to work benches, and forcing them to work 16 hour days isn't slavery, right?.

Libertarianism, being an ideology focused on personal liberty, sees slavery as the greatest of evils.

Because having to pay $5 to enter my own house, or be denied healthcare due to being born in a poor family, or being forced to sell myself as labor just to survive is clearly liberty at it's finest.

And just like the communists, the libertarians are a dying breed. Probably has something to do with the core ideals of both being pipe dreams, albeit it Libertarianism being a far more pleasant one.

Child labor under certain conditions is certainly slavery, and I wasn't arguing that point. If we want to get technical though, that would qualify as poor work conditions as long as they are receiving pay and break in accordance with their respective countries laws. Neither is particularly desirably. The point is that it certainly isn't a core ideal of Libertarianism, and it never has been.

Because the definition of communism is "less government", and anything with less government must then be communist, right?

No, that's pretty much slavery. Fortunately, in a libertarian society, slavery would be very illegal, and such activity would be a great crime. But that's is also not what all child labor is like.

I don't know what libertarian society you've been seeing, but that surely isn't the one that most people see. Must be Australia.

The Shaw is correct. While we should certainly work to improve universal work conditions, and there should be policies to ensure the health and safety of everyone is ensured, what you say does not constitute slavery, and there would be absolutely no slavery in a libertarian society. Well, not legally, anyway.

So, how exactly is being forced to work for peanut shells, in a job with 16 hour workdays and no workplace safety laws liberty? How is the majority of people being denied healthcare or a full education, due to not having been born in a rich family 'Liberty'? - How is legally being thrown out of a store because of the color of your skin 'Liberty'? (Ron Paul did a speech on this, saying he supported being able to deny service to people due to race.)

Enforcing work place safety laws, or minimum wage goes against the very core beliefs of Libertarianism. It's like a communist saying they believe in a free market.

What are you suggesting? Because you clearly suggested something just now, and I'm sure you meant to elaborate on it.

Liberty isn't fairness. It's better than fairness. So long as everyone has the same freedoms then it doesn't matter how they're living their lives, because what matters is that they can do so freely.

@shaw
Pretty sure matt meant like underground sex trafficking (his area of expertise and all).

The idea is that people would have the freedom to choose how, why, and when they should service and or employ people, regardless of the personal prejudice. In such a society, a black man would have the freedom to send a white man out, and vice versa, and it would be equal in a sort of eye for a eye manor. I don't personally agree with this, but I can see why people would interpret a lack of regulations as "true" freedom, if only because it would allow unhampered human will to dominate every aspect of everyone's lives, be it their work, their family, their residence, and their financial situation.

Slavery would still exist in the same way we have it now, mostly through illegal sex trade.

Well, no duh. I'm not a libertarian.

Why woulkd anybody want to work in a job where they pay you in peanut shells?

If I had to work in a shithole like that in a libertarian society(and I wouldn't, because I'm not stupid) I would organize some kind of strike, and expose the company publicly for such inhumane conditions. They would be all but forced to comply.

Personally I don't believe in the denial of healthcare and education.

It's liberty because a store-owner has the right to deny service to anyone they please, no matter how much of an asshole they are.

Now that's just not true, as a Libertarian/Minarchist I believe that the government exists solely for protecting it's citizens. Be it from dangerous factories to child-slave drivers, or what have you. It's not too hard really.

@Matt, what do you mean, illegal sex trade? Elaborate, please.

In capitalism, everybody doesn't have 'The same freedoms' - You could have two people, exactly the same with as each other. The one born in a rich family may never have to work a day in his life. He is gonna be put through university, given the best healthcare, living in a mansion full of servants, and etc. The poor one may never be able to afford university, and will be forced to work a minimum wage job, in a tiny house, and will struggle to afford the most basic of healthcare.

That isn't equality.

Poverty isn't a choice, and thus is NOT a freedom.

Fortunately they have things like charities and unions. And if all else fails, you could alway live on the road, that doesn't sound too bad. And again I believe in at least some kind of universal healthcare.

When did I say anything about equality? Everyone has the same freedoms. That's the extent of equality. All citizens have to follow the same laws and have the same obligations/duties. How much money you have doesn't affect your right to speak freely, to own a gun, or to believe what you want to believe.

But no one needs to guarantee the standard of living of anyone else. Positive rights aren't rights at all.

I, for one, would never throw away freedom for the sake of "financial" equality. I should be able to work hard all my life, and make sure my kids are well off from the start, and, if they ever hit hard times, they will have my nest egg to fall back on. That is a gift I should have the freedom to endow upon my kids. Besides, like Kali said, financial wealth is non indicative of equality. Everyone has the same rights.

So, 1000 poor people vs 1 billionaire/rich person - Who do you think the government is going to listen to?

You are a disturbing person.

@ Matt - Almost everybody works hard in life. Third world sweatshop workers are probably some of the hardest working people in the world. And yet they are NEVER going to live comfortably, and securely. You aren't where you are due to hard work. You are there because you were lucky. Don't lie to yourself.