Continuation of The Ler Argument

Che was actual a productive member when it came to organizing stuff for the clan.

Eat shit and die in a ditch you piss cunt waffle.

Btw, don't be alarmed or offended or anything. I mean it as a slogan and I will maybe apologize later if I remember.

When I say slogan, I mean something that might ACTUALLY be a fucking slogan. Something in the vein of "Death to the capitalist oppressors" or "Defeat to the German war machine". Not "eat shit and die in a ditch you piss cunt waffle". I'm sure other knew what I meant. Apparently you don't understand what a slogan is.

Yes, Che may have been a slightly productive member of the forums, but can anyone deny that Ler is much more productive, much less violent, and much more apologetic? At least Ler comes out with a good apology and has only done it once. Whereas Che would have said something in the vein of "eat shit and die in a ditch you piss cunt waffle" when confronted about his genocidal posts, and then proceeded to write genocidal posts again.

Nah, I don't think Che would say that. More like "someone should shoot you in the head along with your family and leave you in a ditch". I completely agree with your post though.

A hateful slogan. Which is enough, in my opinion, to call Ler a hateful person.

He didn't, because he wasn't a fucking psychopath.

Well, yeah. I mean, it can't get much more clear, and only an eleven year old idiot, or some equivalent, would think that it is an acceptable thing to say in such a situation.

No you.

Interesting, I've never heard this figure of speach before;
"Anybody who supports genocidial america should hang themselves."

"Fuck your Fascist American propaganda bullshit, and fuck ANYBODY who believes that blatant bourgeois propaganda Bullshit.
Death Imperialist America. Fuck you mentally deranged capitalist pieces of shit."

Well, no, for one, Che wasn't even a communist. He was simply hateful. Ler is a communist and hateful. Difference.

Except for that Ler idolized Che and agreed with everything he said.

"Che was right all along. If you can't see that, then you need help. Fuck Fascist Israel. Fuck Imperialist America."
So in short, not only is Ler a bad forum member, but also a bad person.

I know Ler very, very well and I can tell you from personal experience that he is in fact not a hateful person nor a bad person. He already apologized for what he said and everyone snaps at times. Your personal dislike of him does not make him a bad person.

You guys are still bitching about that Imperialist America shit? That was a fucking troll thread to protest the Site's Leadership from several months ago. Using one outburst, that wasn't even a fucking outburst, as grounds for declaring someone hateful is simply preposterous.

Way to miss the point and argue semantics.


I don't think you can get more literal than "death to anyone who supports capitalism". Ler himself admitted to being wrong and then you come along and brush it off as if it's nothing and implied that he shouldn't even have been reprimanded for it in the first place.

I know that, I just meant that if the deal had gone ahead that's what would have resulted. Being banned from being Tribune because of a backroom deal is a bit harsh.

And according to Ler himself, Che isn't a bad person either. He was just vary angry with our constant denial of the truth and our weakness to the bourgeois propaganda being shoved down our throats by imperialist America.
So why is Che not here then? If he, like Ler, is just nice guy who "snapped" banned while Ler isn't.

Yes he admitted he was wrong and he apologized, so what fucking more do you guys want? Just drop it already. Also Ler does not agree with everything Che said. He actually does not agree with personally wishing death on the members of this forum.

Because Che didn't just snap, he snapped many, many, many, many times. Che was given many chances.

Ummm, saying that doesn't mean hes a psychopath. Its something he probably did say if he saw, for instance, a particular brutal death of one of his soldiers and screamed "Death to the fucking British" at the sky. I know, if I saw someone I knew even vaguely killed by a foreign power, I would scream things in the same vein against them. I mean, thats kind of how war goes...

Just because someone says something doesn't mean I meant it. I'll give you an easier example, when I was like 10 I told my dad I hate him. Hell, I still say it today under my breath when he won't let me go somewhere or see someone. Does that mean I mean it? No. It just means I'm fuming and in the emotion of the moment I say it, and its only later I say to myself, "hell, my dads pretty awesome and then apoligize).

Yes, thats not a slogan or figure of speech. That's hate speech. But I didn't ever see or here of Ler saying this, and I want more proof than "your good word" or even a quote. Do you have a link to where Ler said such stuff?

Talking about hate speech on these forums invariably leads back to Che. And does it matter that Ler is communist? I'm a socialist, close to communism. Does that make me a bad person? I fail to see how Ler's political views come into this conversation.

Again, links or proof? Because once again, I do not recall such words coming from Ler.

Most people don't see that. Most people see what I see. And I see a hateful person. What good is being good if you hate all but a select few people?

Well of course he did. He isn't a douche, I don't think. At least not as much as he could or would be. He cares about what people think about him, so he'll apologize. I don't think that fixes it, though.

Not as much as this kid.

He isn't a bad person because I don't like him. Do you think I'm like that? I don't think anybody who acts older than fourteen is like that. I don't like him because he's a bad person. Other way around. He was a bad person long before I stumbled upon Stalin's videos and joined the forums.

Hold up this was the last post I saw, replying now...

The 'Che was right all along' was in reference to the conversation in the thread I posted in, being about North Korea and Gaddafi. I believe Dale (Che) was wrong about a lot of things, especially so his approach to arguing, the death threats, and the insults. What I can relate to is that he was under emotional pressure at the time of him snapping - I do not view that as a justification for what he did, and I do believe that banning him was the right thing to do.

Because Che didn't give a shit and said what he liked. You remember, we tried to defend him. He just said so much bad shit we gave up. Not to mention refusal to apologize in the slightest.

Ler never even snapped in the first place. He just did something stupid. Doing something stupid that conflicts with the rules and calling for the deaths of most of the forum bares no similarities.

I disagree, I've known far too many people when I was in High School to even dare think that Ler was below them, even if I had bitter hatred for Ler.

Fucking High-Schoolers...

Ler does not hate all but a select few. If a man snaps due to pressure, admits he was wrong and publicly apologizes to everyone and has already accepted his punishment and you refuse to accept it and move on, that makes it your problem, not his.

Once again, it was something I'm sure many people have said and will say in real life. I already said he shouldn't have said it, but I have heard much worse things, and I have heard worse things come out of the mouths of 3rd graders. Cmon, you guys take it too seriously. He was rightfully reprimanded, and promptly apoligized, and it should have been dropped. But you guys take hold of anything and everything that could discredit Ler, because for some reason you have a personal vendetta against him.

Wasn't talking about that.

So? Ler snaps all the time. The only difference is he says sorry afterwards.

He does not wish death on forum members all the time nor does he break rules all the time. He's not on the same level as Che and trying to make him out to be because you guys hate him is ridiculous.