Cyber Bullying

Well, I can't argue with that. The Japs were bad ass mofos.

Okay, I'll give you guys that. You can be healthy and commit suicide, granted. I'm still not convinced this is the case with a lot of the people who end their life from people harassing them on the internet.

Yeah, healthy people don't commit suicide out of boredom. They commit it to get out of the situation. I heard someone put it well yesterday. He said, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"

I fully agree with this . I just think these people are cowards. We all face hardship in this world you know, it's not like I'm free of it .

No one is free of it. Which is why I'm sick of people saying their life sucks, because mine has in the past too. So have almost every single one of my friends, and probably all of us on this thread right now.

Cowardice isn't unhealthy. There's also no reason to endure hardship if you don't desire it. People want to off themselves because they're feeling terrible, let them. We do not need nor should we want to keep people here against their will.

We made the same point. I just said it different. Maybe I implied too much?

You are much more of a douche bag about it.

Well since you quote Mosh, who said that healthy people don't commit suicide out of boredom, and said "I agree," I took it to mean that you agreed with him.

We shouldn't keep people here. No. But we should at least do our best to convince them to stay.

I was pretty much agreeing with you two...I just think there is a little bit more to it than how you guys are simplifying it.

No, we shouldn't. People say suicide is selfish. Bullshit. Trying to make people live when they don't want to is what's selfish.

I disagree. Commiting suicide can be very selfish, as it can fucking hurt those who were close to you. Let's say a mother commits suicide, she has abandoned those she was responsible for because she could not cope with her problems, so she took the easy way out. What happens to her kids? Same thing with a father or a son or a sister. Those close to you are going to be deeply affected by your suicide, and are probably going to be fucked up by it.

They have no right to your life. You have no obligation to anyone but yourself, and to expect that other people be forced to live because their death can hurt others around them is considerably more selfish. If you want to die, it's your choice. Fuck the people who would force you to live against your will because it will hurt them if you died.

I'm just going to weigh in here as someone who was dating someone who committed suicide. You say suicide is not selfish, I say it is the most selfish act possible. Generally when someone commits suicide they're only thinking about how they can't stand to keep going. They are not thinking about all of the loved ones that they are going to hurt severely and make their lives miserable too. Only thinking about yourself is the definition of selfishness. I had been dating her for a good amount of time and I loved her with all of my heart, I would have done anything for her. I would have stayed by her side 24/7 but she shut me out. Her brother had recently died, about a month before. She did not accept my help, she just became depressed and killed herself. Afterwards it tore her family apart and guess what? My mother had just died. I was incredibly depressed as well but I would have done anything to keep her from doing that and no I wouldn't have killed myself and left her alone in that state, like she did me. She however just couldn't keep going despite having people there for her, who would have helped. Sure, this is just one case and many are different but my point is that she did not consider what it would do to the people she claimed to love. That was selfish. After she killed herself it fucked me up for a while and her parents, well let's just say they were far from okay. How were we the selfish ones for wanting to keep her alive even though she was suffering mentally? I was helped after their deaths and that is why I am still here today.

How does a mother not have an obligation too her children or any family member for that matter? If you commit suicide when you are responsible for the wellbeing of others, it's just plain abandonment.

To add to my previous post, her parents had already lost her brother, yet my ex didn't think about what losing their other child would do to them. My ex could only think about herself. How was that not selfish?

How weren't you? Can you not see the absurdity of your statement? None of us chooses to be born into this world. None of us decided that we wanted to exist. We don't have control over a lot of things in life, but whether or not we want to continue this existence is something that only we can decide, and only we should decide. It's infinitely more selfish to want to keep someone alive, in pain, against their will, than to decide that the pain you're feeling is greater than the value of the relationships you built while alive. No one has a right to take your life but you, and no one has a right to stop you from doing it.

Well of course I shouldn't have expected anything else from someone with no empathy. This girl, despite her parents suffering just as much from losing their son, decided that her pain was more important than that of those she claimed to love and ended her life. This put someone she cared greatly about in the psych ward of the hospital and the incident has still caused some of us to be fucked up in the head over it to this day. My mother had just died and THEN my girlfriend who I loved with all my heart died but you know what? I kept fucking going. I was easily in just as much pain but I realized that it wasn't right for me to give my burden and pain to people like my father, who lost his wife, or my friends and other family. It wasn't right for me to just give up and put all of my pain and suffering on them.

Oh come now, is ad hominem really going to do anything for you here?

Come off it. We do not have claims on the lives of others. We do not get to decide if they should continue living. They are the only ones who bear their particular burdens, and they are the only ones who deserve any say in the matter. Your life is about what you want. Other people are considerably more selfish for wanting you to stay alive, in pain, and against your will, just because they can't bear the thought of a world without you.

What an incredibly disgusting thing for you to post, even if you feel that is how I am acting there was no tact there. Well no, it wasn't "all about me", it was about all of the people she claimed to "love". She took her life, even though had she not done so she could have been helped and she would still be alive and better. I'm done with this and if you have any ability to respect others you will not respond to this post Kali.