Cyber Bullying

Don't post personal anecdotes in a debate unless you're comfortable with them being criticized. It's not my fault you decided to bring your life story into this argument.

There you have it, he does not.

As if your ultimatum would actually make any difference as to whether or not I would respond. You decided to get involved in this argument, decided to tell us about a very personal story, and decided to use that story to back up your position. You cannot expect me to just sit back and do nothing when I disagree wholeheartedly with your position and analysis of that situation.

I wouldn't expect anyone who has lost someone to do any differently, honestly. I think a little slack would be appropriate.

There's very few issues I'm not willing to compromise on. Freedom of speech, more generally, the freedom of expression, but more than anything else, the right to life is something I value. It's central to my entire worldview and personal philosophy that man is the master of his own fate, and that no one has any say in whether or not you want to die except yourself. So no, I'm not going to give any slack on this issue, and I couldn't even if I wanted to.

I feel similarly. But I don't mean like compromise your world view, I mean maybe not be so critical.

She chose to involve her personal issues in this argument and use them to support her position. It'd be absurd to expect leeway on account of the manner in which she's gone about supporting her position.

I guess given her circumstances I don't see how she couldn't involve personal issues.

By not talking about them.

Selfishness is putting yourself above others and only thinking about yourself. No matter if you think the people wanting to keep them alive are also selfish or not, you can not possibly think suicide is not selfish as well. When you commit suicide you are only thinking about yourself and your pain in most cases. You are taking your life despite what it may do to others, that is selfish no matter how you look at it.

There isn't many debates more personal than suicide.

It is selfish in that sense, but trying to stop people is infinitely more selfish.

We had no idea she was going to kill herself. Most people who are dealing with people who are actually suicidal do not know, not the people who just say I'm gonna kill myself every night for attention. Helping the depressed is not selfish and that is what we tried to do. We tried to help her. When she shut me out I respected her and gave her the space she wanted. It was a mistake in my mind, not in everyone's. However I would be dead as well were it not for my family and doctors, they saved my life by helping me learn to deal with my problems instead of just letting me die. I no longer have any desire to die, yet I assure you when they both died I did. Perhaps it was selfish of my family and those doctors but my life is better now and I am decently happy. I have new people I care about and they care about me. A wasted life due to problems that could have been helped is not a good thing in my mind. All that she could have done. All that she could have experienced. She could have enjoyed life again but in the heat of the moment and in her non helped state she did something drastic that had she stopped and given it time, probably wouldn't have wanted to do anymore.

We are all 1 person out of 7 billion people on 1 planet of out 8 planets in 1 solar system out of a billion solar systems in 1 galaxy out of virtually infinite galaxies and we are incredibly insignificant.

We assign our own values to people and things arbitrarily, and their's nothing wrong with that. Both sides of the kali/chelsea argument are correct in a way, but my personal view is who the fuck cares if trying to help someone not commit suicide is selfish or not? You're doing it because you care about them and them leaving would suck for you, and who gives a shit if that's your motivation? The person who's looking to kill themself will either do it if they can't stand life anymore or they won't because they can - and if those of us who care about these people use our selfish means to help make their life better then there is not a victim in this situation.

One thing we can all agree on is if you are going to kill yourself don't make a huge deal out of it. Do it at home with pills. Don't go jump in front of a train whilst 25 school kids are watching. Don't jump of a building in a crowded area or something similar as it sucks for the people who witness it whether they know you or not. I am speaking from experience as I had the misfortune of witnessing two suicides.

Pills can be really inefficient and very painful. People usually die over like 2 days on some non prescriptions. Not justifying death in public but just saying there are ways to kill yourself in private that aren't as horribly painful.

I hate morons like that, if you're getting bullied online, click the big X in the top right hand corner.

Fucking retards.

It's pretty funny that people complain about being cyber-bullied. It's so easy to avoid and or ignore it. Just don't add people who are going to bully you in the first place. And if people bully you over Facebook, i know this is a revelations but....BLOCK THEM! If you dont wanna block them, then there is a new invention called the shut down button. It amazes me how seriously people overreact to cyber bullying.

Sly has it right.

LISTEN TO SLY!

Both Kali and Chelsea are right. Yes, your life is in your hands, and you are the one who should have the final choice. But seriously, that doesn't mean your friends and family aren't entitled to try and help you. Many people that commit suicide because of cyber bullying are children, and therefore they really shouldn't have the choice to themselves, because children don't really think about the consequences of their actions. As I said, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I almost guarantee if you talk to someone who has wanted to or attempted to commit suicide at any time in their lives, they will tell you they're glad they chose the choice they did. Because no matter how bad it gets it will always get better for you if you try to make it better.

Did you even read what I posted? I said cyber - bullying often carries over into real life and school. You can't get away from it, because even if you get rid of all your internet accounts, there will still be people talking about you, and it will carry over into your real life.