French Laws Racist Against Muslims

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  1. Toast Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a Muslim, are you implying that being a Muslim is a bad thing?
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    Ok, back on topic. xD
  3. JayJayGT Well-Known Member

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    These new laws the French have imposed - it's pure bigotry from the French government, showing how biast their government really is.
  4. egyptianplanet Well-Known Member

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    I'm implying you are a religion itself and the capitol of Pakistan, sir.
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    I better exploit my followers and kill people who don't believe in me as soon as possible!
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    Let us know how that goes.
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    What possible justification for this do they have? A cross can be used to stab someone? It's shiny and distracts the class?
  8. joske Well-Known Member

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    Probably because alot of the schools are state-sponsored/owned and because of the separation between church and state. Same reason why people who work in the governement administration in public functions can't wear any religious symbols or why a few months ago I remember a law proposal here in Belgium proposing to remove all religious symbols from cemeteries because they are state-owned or something.

    Also I remember something about a big debate being held in France about the ban of all religious symbols in the public space, because they limit the freedom of religion or something.
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    I can understand preventing government employees from wearing religious symbols while on the job, but preventing students from doing so makes no sense. And banning them in public? Where does one draw the line? I hate orange, so all people have to respect my color preferences by never wearing it? Whaaaaa?

    Also, banning religious symbols from cemeteries makes about as much sense as banning chocolate from a candy store...
  10. 0bserver92 Grand King of Moderation

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    Why ban people from wearing religious clothing when working for the government it doesn't really do anything it's just what they wear.
  11. joske Well-Known Member

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    its because of the separation of the church and the state, which generally i'm ok with but often results in a whole load of nitpicking.
  12. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    I think I read something on the BBC a couple weeks ago about an Italian court allowing teachers to keep crucafixes in their classrooms. I think the specific case was a Middle School.
  13. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    I don't support this law but I'm just going to play the Devil's Advocate for a little bit. For starters there are about 2000 women who wear full face covering, now this law does not target them but all facecoverings (for instance anarchist's masks). Don't expect to wake up one morning and turn on the news and expect to see these 2000 muslim women thrown in jail because 1) The penalty is just be a fine 2) alot of the french policemen don't plan to enforce this law, usally whats going to happen is they will try to convince the women to remove to covering and if she refuses then she will be fined. Jail time is possable BUT only for the men who force their wives, sisters, and children to wear the face covers. In a roundabout way this is a law for women rights. The head scarf is still legal in France but if you really want to get angry about religious discrimination go look at Turkey the military attepted a coup (as they have done in the past) bacause the preasident let women where religious headgear in public.
  14. noelsoong This machine does not require caffeine to operate.

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    In the Koran you are told not to learn from the non-believers and set an example for non-believers so they can learn from it.
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    Now the French are arresting Egyptian, Tunisian, and Libyan migrants even those holding residency papers.
  16. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    It also says Jews and Cristians are people of the book and should be respected. Note: i am paraphrasing here but the just of it is correct.
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    Jewish and Christians are simply people who haven't realised that they are muslims who have yet to read the final incarnation of gods will on earth. Jesus is considered a pretty important dude, same as Abraham.

    As for the headdress the full 'letterbox' is a symbol of shariah oppression, the religious equivalent of the KKK ruling peoples lives. By all means interpret the Koran to dress modestly as covering your hair with a scarf/dress. But entirely covering a persons body except their eyes is just slavery.
  18. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    The Muslim woman is always associated with an old tradition known as the "veil". It is Islamic that the woman should beautify herself with the veil of honor, dignity, chastity, purity and integrity. She should refrain from all deeds and gestures that might stir the passions of people other than her legitimate husband or cause evil suspicion of her morality. She is warned not to display her charms or expose her physical attractions before strangers. The veil which she must put on is one that can save her soul from weakness, her mind from indulgence, her eyes from lustful looks, and her personality from demoralization. Islam is most concerned with the integrity of woman, with the safeguarding of her morals and morale and with the protection of her character and personality (cf. Qur'an, 24:30-31).

    Woman is recognized by Islam as a full and equal partner of man in the procreation of humankind. He is the father; she is the mother, and both are essential for life. Her role is not less vital than his. By this partnership she has an equal share in every aspect; she is entitled to equal rights; she undertakes equal responsibilities, and in her there are as many qualities and as much humanity as there are in her partner. To this equal partner- ship in the reproduction of human kind God says:

    O mankind! Verily We have created your from a single (pair) of a male and a female,m and made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other... (Qur'an, 49:13; cf. 4:1).

    She is equal to man in bearing personal and common responsi- bilities and in receiving rewards for her deeds. She is acknowledged as an independent personality, in possession of human qualities and worthy of spiritual aspirations. Her human nature is neither inferior to nor deviant from that of man. Both are members of one another. God says:

    And their Lord has accepted (their prayers) and answered them (saying): 'Never will I cause to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female; you are members, one of another... (3:195; cf 9:71;33:35-36;66:19-21).

    Don’t equate things with slavery that’s the Holocaust of analogies!
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    A lot is vague in translation, I've read other passages that equate the veil with, modesty. Basically just encouraging women to dress modest.

    And my slavery comment is NOT the Koran, its in refference to Shariah law, which takes whats said in the Koran (the literal word of god) and twists it based upon subsequent teachings which are NOT the direct word of god. In Shariah law nations, women ARE slaves to men, its not an analogy.
  20. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Not going to take note of the obvious irony in my statement there, No matter. But mid-east dictator's are just crazy and perverting the idea of Islam to fit with there world view, which I can only guess is life in the 700's when Islamic nations were a powerhouse. You see in western countries like france woman choose to wear the veil. Not so much slavary as a life choicce

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