Good Lecture On Why We Believe In Gods

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  1. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    Yes. I thin the - is also for regular, non-joking or vulgar remarks. Such as a written discussion of God.
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    Sure, I could have been witty, but I am sure you would have found some way to flip that around into a attack on religion. I understand you don't like it, but is it really all you debate over? One trick pony?

    And no, that isn't the point. G-d isn't angered by the writing of His name, nor does he particularly care. It's more of a sign that he is above us, and as such, deserves the respect of not having his name violated. There is no actual rule against writing his name, but many against destroying it. If you do write it, you have to be careful that it isn't smeared, thrown away, or otherwise ruined, and that's obviously hard to do with more than one or two documents.

    When the name of He is harmed in any way though, we treat it like we do the disposal of a Torah scroll, which is burial, or for lesser documents, incineration.

    Oh, and drop the sarcasm. It doesn't make you look any better than us "misguided" religious folk.
  3. xXxLKxXx Well-Known Member

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    Do you lack the intelligence to comprehend what I posted? Nothing in that post has anything to do with censorship. I simply stated that people choose to believe in God. Its a personal choice that effects others very little. I respect your right to believe there isnt a God so if you would please take the time to respect mine.
  4. D3VIL Well-Known Member

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    From the Wiki of Pedias: "Implicit weak/negative atheists (in blue on the left) would include people (such as young children and some agnostics) who do not believe in a deity, but have not explicitly rejected such belief." But let's not get into the whole definition issue. For our sanity's sake.

    Hey I never said I was knowledgeable, what on Earth gave you that idea?!

    What are the punishments for not disposing correctly and are accidents treated like a veto. Say you create a folder on a CD called God. Dies on CDs break down eventually so would that count as the destruction of God's name? Would it be his fault for creating die that breaks down so quickly or yours for making a folder. It's all a bit confusing really, he should just let it slide.

    I knew it, tossing it into an active volcano.

    Some say it's the lowest form of wit. Quantity over quality I suppose. That's why if I ever became religious (I won't unless it becomes at least somewhat credible) I'd probably be a polytheist. My 10 gods beat your one, and I have the god of war and he has a mean spear.

    Quite the opposite, I want égalité. I want to put humans before god/the gods/creators/dieties/pixies. I want humans to appreciate and understand science and all the amazing things it has given us. By the way, why do people keep asserting that religion deserves respect? Again, the opposite is deserved because it encourages faith before fact, and facts have done a lot more for you than faith ever has.
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    Your semantical daydreaming serves no purpose than to inflate your ego. Atheism is defined in opposition to theism. If you are an agnostic, fine, but don't play dress up as a so-called "weak atheist."

    Hearken back to that chart or whatever you brought up once before about the relative level of certainty that God exists or doesn't exist. On one extreme you have theists, who believe certainly that God exists, and on the other you have atheists who believe certainly that God does not exist. Anything in between is simply agnosticism, for when confronted with questions of theology they default to the core of their position; that the answer is unknowable. Probabilism has no place in theology. All this fluff about how one conducts their lives has nothing to do with the logical certainties that each side holds as truth, and instead of clarifying anything your semantical haberdashery just creates lexical confusion.
  6. Link NO SWAG

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    You were saying that people shouldn't criticize your beliefs. That's censorship, and religions go around converting people all the time. Should they stop that as well for fear of disrespecting other's beliefs? If you answer yes, then you obviously want to see all religions destroyed, as conversion is the only way they can gain followers, since no one is born belonging to a particular religion. If you answer no, then you're a hypocrite.
    And you weren't saying to respect your right to believe in a god. You were saying not to criticize your decision to believe in a god, which is silly. Someone can criticize you all they damn well want for any reason, whether it's good or bad.
  7. JosipBrozTito Well-Known Member

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    Stop defining atheism as anti-theism.
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    Stop defining agnosticism as atheism.
  9. JosipBrozTito Well-Known Member

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    I'm not. I can't. The word literally means ''without belief in a god''. I think you meant to write it the other way around. The funny thing is you are the one that tries to define agnosticism as atheism, by forcing belief in to agnosticism.
  10. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    but is the idea of atheism is that all religions are the same and all are bad
  11. JosipBrozTito Well-Known Member

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    Yes, its the 66th commandment in the ''Holly Book Of Atheism''.
  12. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    So you saying Atheists think religion is good?
  13. Tito Well-Known Member

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    So you saying Atheists think religion is good?[/quote]
    You're religious. I once met a religious person who thought all atheists are devil worshipers and should be killed. By extension, you must think the same thing.

    See the fault in your logic? Not everyone conforms to your stereotypes.
  14. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    great i get to argue with two Titos, people are Atheists have this idea that religion has somehow held us back, or religion is a lie.
  15. JosipBrozTito Well-Known Member

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    I'm saying that it has nothing to do with atheism. Only thing all atheist share is not having a belief in a god, all other things are arbitrary.

    EDIT: I rarely get to use the word ''arbitrary'', now I just need to fined a way to use ''haberdashery''. Sounds like fun. :D
  16. LampRevolt Well-Known Member

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    Religion is for people who need to find reasons to exist . Moderate nonsense pretend religion is for people who like to fit in.

    I have quit actually trying to put forward a sophisticated well planned argument against religion, giving it the time of day works against me in that I'm almost accepting it as an option by arguing with it, which it should not be.


    Link is right however, except I think if someone is all up in my face about my beliefs they should be prepared for the consequences I myself would deal out. I certainly wouldn't restrict their right to challenge me though.
  17. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Would you be willing to say that at the core religions are all bery similar to each other and disregarding rituals such as the Haj offer basically the samething
  18. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    That's usually attributed to some other factor, really to use the words agnostic and atheist separate form each other is wrong.
  19. JosipBrozTito Well-Known Member

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    Sure, why not.
  20. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Now than, is religion beneficial to mankind or detrimental?

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