Greatest Military Leaders of all Time

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  1. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Don't know if this one has been mentioned yet:
    GOD.
    Only He could convince people to attack a city with nothing but trumpets and walk around it until it collapsed.
    Imperial1917, Dec 28, 2011
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    Yeah, around here almost everyone hates Che. Though, something tells me we're not taking about the same Che...
    Bart, Dec 29, 2011
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  3. Uncle Joe Member

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    1. Sun Tzu
    2. Julius Caesar
    Uncle Joe, Dec 30, 2011
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  4. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Che Flegel FTW!
    slydessertfox, Dec 30, 2011
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    I think Genghis Khan was the greatest general of all time because he was able to create the largest empire of all time.
    Alexander of Macedon, because of his tactical genius and that he never lost a battle.
    TheKoreanPoet, Dec 31, 2011
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  6. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    I firmly believe Napoleon Bonaparte is one of the greatest generals of all time, if not the greatest. Sure he made a few blunders(Russia, Spain,etc), but their is more good than bad. He is followed by Alexander the Great, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Patton, and a few more I can't recall at the moment.
    RickPerryLover, Dec 31, 2011
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    Napoleon failed to invade Portugal... Twice
    D3adtrap, Dec 31, 2011
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  8. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    As I said he had his defeats, but his victories out weigh them. Battles like Austerlitz, Lodi, Borodino, Ulm, etc are some of histories greatest victories(or defeats depending on how you look at it).
    RickPerryLover, Dec 31, 2011
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    I'm sure one of the histories greatest disasters out weights his victories.
    D3adtrap, Dec 31, 2011
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  10. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    What Russia? The Russain Campaign does not out weigh his many many victories. Even if you add Spain and Egypt his victories still are more notable. Napoleon has more than proved he is a great general by way of success on the battlefeild, and not by the way he conducted his campaigns.
    RickPerryLover, Dec 31, 2011
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    Getting defeated by Russia doesn't make you a bad general, because the only one who had ever successfully invaded all of Russia (the country, not the landmass) was Lenin and the Red Army.
    Bart, Dec 31, 2011
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    He himself did not.
    slydessertfox, Dec 31, 2011
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    General looses over 90% of his army and of the casualties majority was non combat, he is one pathetic general, no matter who he is.

    Attempting it makes you a fool. Not seeing warning signs of disaster makes you an idiot. Miserably failing makes him - maybe not a bad general (per say), but certainly one that does not deserve spot in TOP 10 generals of all time -.
    D3adtrap, Dec 31, 2011
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    I don't think Napoleon was expecting Russia to burn down Moscow.
    TheKoreanPoet, Dec 31, 2011
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    They were burning down everything, why would he expect Moscow to be spared. What ever the case, he should have considered it as a chance and have a plan B. These are basic rules in any plan, let alone warfare.
    D3adtrap, Dec 31, 2011
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    He was a fool for declaring war in the first place, but when he did, he was at the point of no return. He was stupid for declaring war, and that makes him a bad leader of a nation, but failing in the Russia campaign doesn't make him a bad military leader. Russia is unbeatable.
    Bart, Dec 31, 2011
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    It was an invasion no general in history could have pulled off. The French Armies were the finest in the world under Napoleon's rule. Time and time again he led them to victory in seemengly impossible odds, and this one time he didn't win. Also he may have lost 90% of his army, but after that he led what could have been his greatest campaign ever, the Six Days Campaign.
    RickPerryLover, Dec 31, 2011
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    He did not win in the end now did he? Yet another miss calculation from his part.

    Great tactician, but does not see a big picture.
    D3adtrap, Dec 31, 2011
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  19. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    If he didn't see the big picture than he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did. The things he did with what he was given makes him great. He may have not seen the big picture in Russia, but that is it. He did a lot more than invade Russia and lose. Various times he invaded centrel Europe and won, various times he invaded Italy and won. Even when he conducted a bad campaign, you can see that he still pulled off impresive victories such as Borodino, and the Pyramids.
    RickPerryLover, Dec 31, 2011
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    He did not win a single (important) naval battle. Not seeing big picture in Russia costed him his little "Grand Armee" & other crucial resources. If you see big picture, you should see your ultimate victory, which needless to say Napoleon did not achieve.

    Ps. Borodino was barely impressive victory, tho he did kill off bit more than he lost, his casualties included twice the generals & officers. Not to mention that it was meaningless victory anyway.
    D3adtrap, Dec 31, 2011
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