Greatest Military Leaders of all Time

Plus if it weren't for his army wanting to go home, he would keep marching East.

Yup. He wanted to reach what the Greeks called "the ocean" which was basically the limits for him

Oh look! I insulted a fan boy for liking Julius Caesar better then Alexander.... Grow up, and yes he was an Royal pussy do you honestly think that if Alexander wasn't born into Royalty that he would've still been the famous Alexander the Great? Alexander was nothing special just your typical spoiled prince who got everything handed to him. He might not of even existed because of the fact that there is more proof Jesus Christ existed then Alexander the Great.

Are you fucking trolling? Alexander was a warrior, and a really well documented warrior at that. He was also a brilliant general, and he led his own calvary into battle. He was wounded several times in battle, so he wasn't sitting behind the lines. He was right there.

Indeed he was in battle but I fail to see how this makes him special since many commanders in the time of Antiquity fought in the battle as well, and last time I checked , being in battle doesn't automatically make you a great commander.

No, defeating enemies who vastly outnumber you and conquering most of the known world makes him a great general. And he did both of those things.

Don't even get me started with defeating the persians, otherwise known as 'the army of peasants' defeating a bunch of untrained peasants also doesn't make you a great commander, if he would've went west he would've been destroyed.

You have to be fucking trolling. The Persians did not have the largest empire at the time having armies of peasants. Like I said, Alexander was probably the best horsemen in his cavalry. HE lead the charges, unlike most commanders at the time who (even then) sat behing the lines making orders. He was always there with his men and his men knew that Alexander never put himself above them. He thought of them as his equal. He never lost a battle and was outnumbered nearly 5-1 in almost everyone of his fucking battles. The Persians had probably the best chariots of the time, tons of heavy cav, and oh lets not forget the elite immortals. Even if they were a band of peasants (which they were far from) they still outnumbered him nearly 5-1 in EVERY SINGLE BATTLE. Alexander was a master tactician. He always looked for a whole in the enemy lines and always charged right through, in what would seem like suicide missions. Yet he always pulled it through in the end. You are just talking out of your ass. When you want to have a real debate come back and we will talk

You're an idiot then, being outnumbered means fuck all, especially if the armies are pathetic untrained peasants, They had excellent cavalry but the Macedonians had better cavalry, The elites were a joke, do you base your knowledge of ancient times on 300? and once again if I were looking for heroics I would go for alexander the great but being heroic doesn't make you a great Commander. winning victories over actual QUALITY armies due to Tactics and Strategic knowledge makes you a good commander, here was Alexanders strategy

'We're going to charge in with our Cavalry and hope for victory' there was no strategy involved in any of his battle just a bunch of Cavalry charges that almost killed him,(and he was facing persians lol) If he faced Rome or any Western civ he would of been crushed.

You don't know what you're talking about, he didn't charge head-on banzai style. He used the pikes to hold the enemy main body and lead the charge on their backs after he was done with the enemy cavalry. Greek horsemen better than Baktrian and Armenian cav? You must be joking. And the immortals were the best infantry of the Persians for a long time, definitely not a rabble.

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You have to be fucking trolling. The Persians did not have the largest empire at the time having armies of peasants. Like I said, Alexander was probably the best horsemen in his cavalry. HE lead the charges, unlike most commanders at the time who (even then) sat behing the lines making orders. He was always there with his men and his men knew that Alexander never put himself above them. He thought of them as his equal. He never lost a battle and was outnumbered nearly 5-1 in almost everyone of his fucking battles. The Persians had probably the best chariots of the time, tons of heavy cav, and oh lets not forget the elite immortals. Even if they were a band of peasants (which they were far from) they still outnumbered him nearly 5-1 in EVERY SINGLE BATTLE. Alexander was a master tactician. He always looked for a whole in the enemy lines and always charged right through, in what would seem like suicide missions. Yet he always pulled it through in theYou are just talking out of your ass. When you want to have a real debate end. come back and we will talk[/quote]


You're an idiot then, being outnumbered means fuck all, especially if the armies are pathetic untrained peasants, They had excellent cavalry but the Macedonians had better cavalry, The elites were a joke, do you base your knowledge of ancient times on 300? and once again if I were looking for heroics I would go for alexander the great but being heroic doesn't make you a great Commander. winning victories over actual QUALITY armies due to Tactics and Strategic knowledge makes you a good commander, here was Alexanders strategy

'We're going to charge in Now Iwith our Cavalry and hope for victory' there was no strategy involved in any of his battle just a bunch of Cavalry charges that almost killed him,(and he was facing persians lol) If he faced Rome or any Western civ he would of been crushed.[/quote]
Now I know you are freaking trolling. Alexander is known as having one of the best strategies of any general ever! Once again, you dont win when your outnumbered 5-1 if you dont have any strategy. Alexander practiccally took strategy to a whole new lever. Before Alexander, battles were usually won by the army with the most men and strategy and tactics played very little as it was just charge fight and win with more men. Alexander used his cavalry to the utmost effect. He oractically fucking invented strategy. Dont talk unless you know what you are talking about.

Lol 'the best infantry of the Persians' you do realize The Persians were absolute shit when it came to infantry? so being the best of that is being best of the shit, which isn't saying much considering Macedonian pikes could cut through any Persian infantry. Oh and my bad I guess I missed a piece to Alexanders dull and predictable tactics. :roll:

Of course, because everyone knew how to do hammer and anvil tactics, everyone was a genius of military tactics, only Julius Caesar knew how to win a battle, even if he got defeated by inferior number by the Gauls. You know you're just talking bullshit and want to source your knowledge about Persian infantry because most of their infantry was shit so the Immortals have to be shit as well. They were the only elite corps under the Persian army, you talk about how we are basing our assumptions on the movie 300, but by your sayings you're the one based on that movie, because otherwise you'd know that the Persian Immortals were as good as the Spartans.

dude you have to be fucking trolling. Before Alexander, like I said, tactics were pointless as long as you had a humongous army. Usually, the person with the largest army one with only a few exceptions. Alexander(and Phillip) changed that. Alexanders tactics were far from predictable. Sure they seem predictable now because we can go back and look at everyone of his battles. But while he had the same idea, every single one of his battles he did something different. In one battle he surprised the Persians by charging his inferior cavalry across the river while they were unprepared, in another he slipped through a hole in the persian cavalry and got into their infantry. It is important to note that Alexander was also a master of siege warfare as well. His most famous siege was the island of Issus, (he had no navy but still managed to take it). In Guagamela, he created a genius strategy for defeating the Persian chariots (which were a MAJOR problem on the open field). When the Persian chariots charged, his men dispersed and the chariots basically ran right through without harming them. As they ran through he ordered his javelinmen to throw their javelins and the Persian chariots were destroyed. While this seems like a simple idea, it had not been used before . The Romans used that tactic with elephants afterward but nobody had used it before Alexander. He also went on what seemed like a suicide charge through a gap in the Persian cavalry and swung around to smack the Perian infantry in the back after sending Darhius running for the hills. Oh and lets not forget, he fought elephants when he fought against the Indians.

The remarkable part of this that basically destroys your argument is he NEVER LOST A SINGLE BATTLE. And he never outnumbered his opponent once. In fact he was usually outnumbered greatly which I mentioned like 20 times. Say what you want, but all those great commanders of the ancient era came after Alexander. Alexander set the basis. Julius Caesar wanted to be Alexander. Stop talking out of your freaking ass

Sun Tzu
Erwin Rommel
Georgy Zhukov
Genghis Khan
Julius Caesar
Erich von Manstein
Otto von Bismarck
Alexander the Great
Hannibal
Spartacus
Horatio Nelson
Napoleon I
Gebhard von Blucher
Attila the Hun
King Frederick II
Leon Trotsky (Built the Great Red Army)
(By the way this isn't a top list like 5,4,3,2,1 i just placed them when I thought of one)

About this without Stalin. Also jeeez guys this is the history forum and you're having flame wars?!?! I just dont get how you can get sooo upset about it.

This is my list (sorry if a lot are Americans but I am one)
Sun Tzu
Erwin Rommel
Georgy Zhukov
Julius Caesar
Otto Von Bismarck
Alexander the Great
Hannibal
Philippe Petain (for actions in WW1 not WW2)
George S. Patton
Vasily Chuikov
George Washington
Lord Nelson
Robert E. Lee
Stonewall Jackson
Ulysses S. Grant
William T. Sherman
Douglas MacArthur
Ho Chi Minh.

i agree except for MacArthur who i dont like much

Yeah he was really fucking overconfident.That's why he lost a lot of battles.