Huge wars that most people forgot or never heard of.

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  1. crocve Well-Known Member

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    Dutch–Portuguese War (1602-1663) - the first war to be fougth worldwide

    The war was fougth between the portuguese and the dutch over the domination of the Portuguese Empire.

    Portugal won in America and Africa, while the United Provines won in Asia. In the end, both nation got weakened and the real winners of the war were England and France, which became more stronger nations, while the United Provinces and the Iberian nations became weaker.
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    I know about that war, the Dutch got control of the Northeastern part of Brazil. But at the end the Portuguese took it back.
  3. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    And thus the world was changed forever when the Dutch actually won the war and took over all of Iberia.
  4. crocve Well-Known Member

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    If you were trying to be funny, you failed, my friend.
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    He won.
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    No im pretty sure you failed.
  7. crocve Well-Known Member

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    You wished.
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    Why would I wish on something so clearly obvious to which you failed.
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    The civil Wars of the Tetrarchy
    The Korean War
    World War one
    The Crimean War
    The English civil war
    The War of the roses
    Byzantine Ottoman wars
  10. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    The others, yeah, but these...
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    First off, As World War 1 has no memorable figures, no iconic images, no blockbuster films, and not even a monument on the Washington mall. The last survivng veteran has died recently. Also because World War 1 was the last war to be fought without any modern sufficient way of memorizing it.

    The Korean war is nicknamed "the forgotten war" mostly because of how the war wasn't even called a war, but a police action, how the war changed nothing, how it wasn't "a great American victory or defeat". But mostly the same reason as WW1, no blockbuster movies, iconic images or people (except for MacArthur and the landing at Inchon). The most people today remember about the Korean war is that it's the setting that M.A.S.H took place in.
  12. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    I donno, the AP US History classes require it and I'm pretty sure that people have not forgotten.
    According to the AP World History text, the First World War was the war that created modernday dislike for war.
    Not to mention:
    1. It gave rise to the circumstances that created both Nazi Germany and the USSR, both of which have had uncalculatable affects on modern society.
    2. It was the war that established the US as a world power.
    3. It contributed greatly to the Depression.
    4. It caused many nations to desire their independence, particularly Vietnam after Ho Chi Minh was denied an audience with Wilson.
    5. It effectively ended the use of chemical warfare in large-scale conventional conflicts. That is to say, international groups sought to end its use and the First World War was the main example for their calls for people not to use it.
    6. It contributed to the demise of European Imperialism.
    7. Collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
    8. Military improvements:
    8a. Tanks
    8b. Automatic weaponry
    8c. Aircraft [limited]
    8d. Navy [combined with aircraft for the carriers]
    9. The League of Nations
    9a. It failed, but it was part of the groundwork for the modern UN.
    10. Et Cetera.

    Basically, the First World War had so many effects that claiming that it is forgotten is only for the unenlightened. Anybody who bothers to wonder 'How did we get to where we are?' can cite [in fact HAS TO cite] the First World War as a major cause.
    It not only signaled the shift away from the ideas of the past, but it opened the way to the future. In all things.
    I mentioned mainly international affair, diplomacy, empires, and military changes, but there are numerous social and cultural changes caused by the First World War.

    The Americans still remember.
    The Chinese still remember.
    The Koreans [both North and South] sure as **** remember.
    The Korean War a focalpoint of the modern-day conflict in the region and many of its tensions.
    It is one of the few places left on Earth where the ideals of Communism and Capitalism still clash [or rather, their claimants clash].
    Every time the NPT comes up, N. Korea is mentioned at SOME POINT.
    China spends billions of dollars a year sending aid in the form of food, medicine, etc. to N. Korea.
    France opened an embassy there a few years ago to help alieviate the suffering of the people.
    The recent death of Kim Jong-Il was broadcasted across the globe.
    It was one of the few conflicts in which Chinese and US forces clashed openly.
    Also, bear in mind that N. Korea never actually signed a peace treaty and officially, the war never ended.

    Every time you say "Korea", people respond "North or South?".
    That is a legacy that will continue for years to come, even if there is reunification.

    A war is remembered through its legacy and the affect that it has today on the people. It is clear to most people that both the First World War and the Korean War are far from forgotten. Rather, they are the origins of much of the modern world.
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    All true, but do you think that most of that information is know outside of history buffs?

    Also, it was South Korean leader Lee Syngman who refused to sign a armistice with the North.
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    Yes....this is learned in our American History courses. Hell, we even learned about these two wars in 4th grade.
  16. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    The Macedonian wars.
  17. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Anyone who has ever taken a comprehensive history course?
    I mean, seriously, you can't call it 'comprehensive' without mentioning the First World War.
    As for the Korean War... well, if you live in the Far East [China, Korea, Japan, primarily] or the US, then you probably remember. And as I said, every time the NPT comes up, someone is bound to talk about N. Korea.
    Like I said, these wars were instrumental in the world as it is now. True that every war, forgotten or not, has had an incalculatable affect on the world today, but these wars, especially the First World War, stand out.

    Either way, the peace treaty was not signed. That was the point. The war is technically still live.

    P.S. Imo a history course is one of the easiest paddings on a transcript for college.

    LOL.
    Don't let POM see you posting that.
  18. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Not the Alexander the great Macedonian wars, but the Roman vs Macedonian wars, good times.
  19. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Didn't they lose those wars?
    No wonder nobody remembers those. ;)
  20. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Exactly.
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