Introducing social programs in a post-cold war america

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard this week.

Whatever troll.
EDIT: Pic related

Chives a troll? Now that's the dumbest thing I've heard all week.

Yes I know shocking!
(that's sarcasm btw...)

NAPOLEONS BACK!!! Or he was....for a short time.

No she didn't. She got WW1 and WW2 mixed up. If she got the Revolution and WW1 mixed up then I would report her. She was an absolute ignorant stupid bitch, but she brought us food every morning so I let it slide

I was referring to the stupid fear of anything slightly socialist in the United States. Labeling an opponent as a socialist in a political campaign and stuff like that. Its stupid. And don't deny that people are labeled as socialists in political campaigns, because that's like one of the main attacks on Obama.

New Jersey. But next year I'll probably be going to school in Virginia!

No, its a side effect of that system. I've lived on 5 different military bases and they all had the same problem. Trying to serve tens of thousands of servicemen/women and their immediate families is a logistical nightmare and leads to agonizing waits and extreme bureaucracy. To do universal healthcare we'd require a lot more hospitals.

Well I agree, but the majority of Americans probably won't see it this way.

Why do you hate Florida so much?

If there wasn't a public school system, then there would be a private school system.

Well me if I wasn't living on campus. I got a full scholarship for tuition. Regardless, schools wouldn't be as expensive if the government wasn't offering student loans.

Then drive down the other road that is cheaper because that's how capitalism works. Competition brings down prices.

Who said there wouldn't be a domestic market? New businesses would have sprung up had one of the big car companies gone under.

There's a thing called "charities" They're lovely little things that voluntarily get money from people (as opposed to the state) and spend it on things they believe will help the world, like food, housing, parks, or whatever the hell they want.

Again, competition drives prices to go down. If there are a lot of homeless people that have money, then businesses will want to tap that market by building low rent housing.

I'd say, "Gee willikers! I guess it's time for some alternative fuel that private businesses will want to develop since gas costs so much!"

I won't! My neighbor bought fireworks himself

Well wetlands wouldn't be a preferred place to build a parking lot since it would require more money to drain the water and build foundation and all that nonsense.

What part of the US government is "accountable?" Accountable to what? No one holds the US accountable to any of the thousands of lives it's destroyed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or any of the other countries it's bombed. When the US bombs neutral countries, it loses credibility.

Private companies are far more accountable than a government that has guns pointed at me if I don't pay my taxes. Involvement in private companies is voluntary. Involvement in government isn't.

Yes, privatized army if that's really the only solution to it.

I was pretty much making the same point I was with the cartels, privatized army.

How aren't private companies accountable to their costumers?

Except that corn those farmers grew aren't edible. If the government wasn't subsidizing the corn farmers, then they would be growing actual food instead of supplying high fructose corn syrup. Also, if there were no tariffs on sugar, then sugar would be a lot cheaper too.

I would hardly call the government that threatens to take away your freedom if you don't pay them their money "defending" you. In fact, that seems like something a mafia would do.

Duke, why isn't your avatar John Wayne?

As for the issue at hand, I don't know about that private army stuff, but a military should only be big enough to defend the nation, and local, but trained, militia should be enough for that.

Spike Spiegel is more badass

Shockingly at my old high school the shitty urban one that I spent 3 years at, my history teacher didn't talk about communism or capitalism, instead he talked about history, about how the ideologies made certain events in history happen, you know actually doing his job.

My history teacher never talked about ideology either. In fact, she is a Democrat and when I presented her a book my brother had given me about libertarianism she encouraged me to read it but also told me that everyone's view on history can be different.

Its ok.
I am frankly surprised that I don't get more messages like this.

I am, however, curious as to why you decided to respond to every post.

@DukeofAwesome what are you accomplishing by privatizing everything? You are still going to be paying for everything, and probably would be paying more. You say it will encourage competition but all it will do is create giant monopolies which would lead to extremely outrageous prices and tolls and rent because monopolies would just buy out the competition. And if you privatize the army don't you think the leaders of the private company won't put teosinte and two together and realize they can stage a coup virtually unoppossed? And what if the cheaper road is way out of the way and uses more gas?


Also, with no minimum wage, enjoy working for 2 bucks an hour.

Well, fuck me, I read all this while I should be reading chemistry.

Privatization or the sake of privatization. Pretty much no different than nationalization for the sake of nationalization. Ideologues aren't in anyway pragmatic or realistic people. They live in a world of milk and honey, where nothing can go wrong so long as every member of society, big and small, fanatically gives themselves to the ideology they spout.
Although, Duke never did get back to me on how a "private judicial system" would work in a stateless society.

You're a worthless dog you know that? Sitting on your ass enjoying the benefits of the hegemony, then turning around and advocating our surrender as the dominate player.

If luxury and freedom offend you, how about you fucking leave rather than demanding everyone else suffer for the sake of your ideology? Proxy-Euro scum.

Edit: In fact, I'm reporting your treason to @Kali. May god have mercy on your soul.

@DukeofAwesome
I just found a political cartoon that sums up your views exactly.




And look, it's from 1908.

With privatization people achieve a life where the government isn't stealing your money for things you don't want to pay for. Monopolies can't exist in free markets. Also, stage a coup of what? Anarchy? If the cheaper road is out of the way then try building your own road. Gather people to pool your resources, get loans from the bank. If that fails, nothing is forcing you to use roads. Offroad it. Use public transportation.

I am not an ideologue. If someone has a better alternative, than I'm open to hear it. So far, most other ideologies involve the state robbing me so I'm inclined to not like them. Anarchy has it's shortcomings, but the benefits outweigh the negatives.

I'm still very much a learner, so I didn't know the answer. I consulted with my brother who recommended me a book about it. By the time I read the book, the thread would be outdated so I was pretty content to let it die. Anyway, to answer your question about a private judicial system, there would be private judges that could preside over a case. I believe your direct problem was with how would judges have their verdicts be carried out. The answer is that the people would either submit to the ruling or face social ostracism. A murderer or thief that won't submit to his punishment won't find much help in society. It isn't like a verdict would be hidden from people, and stores wouldn't sell to him. A person that society rejects won't survive long on his own. The same thing can happen to businesses. If a business commits a crime then people won't shop there. Social influences are a powerful thing.

@UtterlyImpeccable I can't read the words in that comic...

You place ideals over practicality. You advocate X for the sake of X.

I'm offering you what we have now. Capitalism within the confines of the Republican rule of law. The only workable form of truly free private enterprise.

If you wan't capitalism in any form, then you don't want Anarchism. Capitalism does not exist without the rule of law, and the rule of law does not exist without the state.

This system is entirely subject to majority whim. If enough people disagree with the verdict, then they have the power to override it and do what they want instead.
How the hell can you consider this a some sort of bastion of private enterprise when the masses have the right to confiscate anyone's business or home if they so desire?

But it is no substitute to enforced law.

No, I advocate anarchy because it doesn't have a government that points a gun at my head to get my money.

Capitalism like this isn't free private enterprise. Where a government has to subsidize industries so they won't go bankrupt and impose tariffs to raise the price of foreign goods isn't free private enterprise. It's capitalism dominated by the state.

Rule of law can exist without a state. There has been justice without a king or president to enforce it. Murderers didn't go free in pre-civilization times.

That can happen now. If people don't like a verdict, then they can riot. Remember Rodney King? It's no more subject to "majority whim" then the current system.

Who the hell said anything about making it legal to steal?

Thank god it isn't.

If the majority say it is, then it is. That's a huge problem with anarchism.

Correction: There is no state. There is a government, and if it wants your property, the only thing stopping it is you. There is only one of you.

There only two forms of government in this world, Republics and Oligarchies. And only one of those governments can exist without a state.

You have the right to property ownership. You have the right the pursuit of happiness. You have the right to fair judgment by a court system that adheres to the principle of blind justice.
Ergo: Free enterprise both exists and is protected in this society.

There you go placing that idealistic paradise of yours over the politics of reality again.

Neither did usury. If you really want to call stone-age witch hunts justice. Fine by me.

Sure they can riot. And the police can shut that shit down just as fast.

It isn't stealing to them. You're an exploitative landlord who hides behind paid judges whenever the glorious working class questions your right to steal the product of their labor.