Josef Stalin Declassified

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  1. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    Erm, ok.
  2. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I can't remember the exact quote, but I believe Stain said that the death of one man is a tragedy and the death of millions means nothing, or something around those lines.
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    You seem to be ignoring your own source:
    " Adding 6–8 million famine victims to Erlikman's estimates above, for example, would yield a total of between 15 and 17 million victims. Researcher Robert Conquest, meanwhile, has revised his original estimate of up to 30 million victims down to 20 million.[111] In his most recent edition of The Great Terror (2007), Conquest states that while exact numbers may never be known with complete certainty, the various terror campaigns launched by the Soviet government claimed no fewer than 15 million lives.[" This supports me more than it does you.
  4. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    And yet again you fail to see a critical point:

    Also that does not support your cause a single bit as Hitler killed twice the people, even if famines are added on Stalins ass.
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    "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is just statistic".
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    Stalin said that he was miss quoted, but I don't know more.
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    I doubt he was misquoted.
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    Based on what?
  9. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    He's Stalin.
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  10. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    And you are Sly, thus not to be trusted.
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    ^ How can this man be responsible for so much suffering when he is so... hug-able. I mean who seriously does not want to have a manly bear hug/embrace with Stalin?
  12. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    We cannot lose when Stalin is on our side!
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    Wasn't that on the old intro Stalin had when he was on Youtube?
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  14. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    I think it was in the last intro, yeah. I really liked the first one, too. It's where he plays risk, realizes he can't win, and wipes the board with his arm out of anger.
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    Well, there is proof that he was misquoted.

    "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." – Joseph Stalin [M]
    • This quotation has popularly been attributed to Stalin as early as 1958.
    • Variants: One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is just a statistic.
      A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic
      When one dies, it is a tragedy. When a million die, it is a statistic.
      "When one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics." This is the exact quote from the McCullough biography of Truman, books.google.de According the citation in that book, McCullough got it from page 278 of the book "The Time of Stalin: Portrait of Tyranny", by Anton Antonov-Ovseyenko. McCullough quotes Stalin as having said this to Churchill at Teheran. "Churchill had been arguing that a premature opening of a second front in France would result in an unjustified loss of tens of thousands of Allied soldiers. Stalin responded that 'when one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics'".
    • This quotation probably was originated from «Französischer Witz» by Kurt Tucholsky (1932): «Darauf sagt ein Diplomat vom Quai d’Orsay: «Der Krieg? Ich kann das nicht so schrecklich finden! Der Tod eines Menschen: das ist eine Katastrophe. Hunderttausend Tote: das ist eine Statistik!»» («At which a diplomat from France replies: «The war? I can't find it too terrible! The death of one man: that is a catastrophe. One hundred thousand deaths: that is a statistic!»»)
    ( Wikipedia )
  16. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    I'll be damned, some one found it. Congrats!
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    Well someone was bound to find it... If it wasn't me then it would have been probably someone else.
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    It seems so long ago...
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    Ok so my statement here is that Stalin was no better than Hitler, and please don't start telling which one killed more people because they both killed a shit-ton of people.
    And I think it's funny that nowadays people hate Hitler more than Stalin but in their time I'd say that the Germans were more happier of Hitler than Russians were of Stalin.

    Also D3adtrap you said that the Purge of the Officers made the Red Army one of the most efficent armies of the world...
    ... so I presume that you haven't heard of the winter fucking war, you call that efficent!
  20. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    I presume you don't realize that world changes and that you've not heard of Manchuria offensive. Nor did I ever say purge made Red Army efficient. Also you have to back up your statements and not pull shit out of your ass like pretty much everyone opposing me on this matter have done so far. (They also tend not to read my posts as well, has to be a trend of some kind.)

    Yeah I cant figure that one out. I mean a few genocides, invading entire continent, descrimination, attempt to create a huge slave state, experiments and inhumane treatment of people... Gee I cannot understand why Hitler is more hated.

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