Joseph Kony 2012 - Stop at Nothing.

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  1. ClaymanV Member

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    Hitler sensationally told the people of germany that jews should be exterminated and that its the only way. But, you know, at least they gave a fuck.

    (not trying to sound like a smart ass but i think i got my point across pretty well here.)
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    You know, if all those guys (all the "young people" of the video) went Che Guevara style, they will have a nice army.
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    I have decided to take back support from this movement as I think it's clouding our priorities.

    Like say, Syria. LOL. We should really pay more attention to syria.
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    I say we need to focus on British & American troops' immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan before we even tilt our head in Syria's direction. Concentrate on our own crimes first.
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    But not really. Caring is not automatically better just "cuz". I doubt that even if all of us were self-righteous social activists that we would change the world for the better a significant amount.
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    this is the video that the charity made for all those who want to see it
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    We already have a planned withdrawal from Afghanistan. Like how it does it or not, the plan is to get us out by 2014 and its not gonna be changed.
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    Just saw this picture, and I had to share it -

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    This is from a post by a girl simply saying "KONY 2012" and me and my friend Matt (who i dont always agree with, but agree with him fairly enough on this point) saying our points of view... if you all want a fair read.
    PS-idk how to use spoilers, otherwise i would :/ (n00b problemZ) So if you know how to do it plz tell me and i will edit.
    • its true that not all the money goes directly to help the children. but did you think it was free for the invisible children program to fly to africa all of those times, make a video to raise support and to host countless events? of course not. But for you to say they are doing it as a scam or to profit from it is ridiculous
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      Clayton Claymanv VanDyken
      Only 30% of the money goes to charity, and for the organization, run by 3 guys , 70% of the money goes to them... Thats an awful lot for trips to Africa.. Also it is in support of the current Ugandan government, and they completely ignore t...See More
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      DERP This is the UN's problem not ours
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      DERPINA
      The US has the most man power out of anyone else, if it helps saves lives in the long run, why not support it?! You think children want to be fighting?! Hell no, but they are made to. I see kids in central america selling necklaces on the b...See More
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    • DERPINA I do know that the US has issues it needs to take care of in itself before others but i dont see how anyone could sit back and have no heart enough to say that its not our "issue". Wouldnt you want the highest power in the world to step up and help u if that was ur son or daughter being taken to minipulate or turned into a sex slave?
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    • DERP Not when they are the ones who cause it, or knowing that when they eliminate him that someone else will step up or that even the military is as bad as him.
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    • DERPINA If the US tried fixing things with numbers instead of forces than we'll see a change. I agree that he has followers and one will just take his place after hes gone, thats y we need to take a diff approach than what weve done in the past.
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    • DERPINA Like theyre trying, without always changing to force.
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    • DERP What kind of numbers? Money? Because we have plenty of that to give away right? They can do it, give them time.
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    • DERPINA
      But years and years ago we didnt have the technology we do now to raise awareness and have people connect around the world. Its a big enough issue to not give up on. Put urself in peoples shoes who care, what if everyone turned their back o...See More
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    • DERPINA Btw love how you deleted ur comment by nothing happening years after years so it wot change (in a nut shell) and replace it with "give it time". Wow.
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    • DERP But it didn't, America industrialized so incredibly quick when it started out and we defeated and entire military, the greatest military on the earth mind you for our freedom. So don't give me this "to long to change we should help" crap, it's not our place if they can't beat a stupid dictator and even dumber religious zealot of a rebel leader, it is completely 100% their fault. Not. Ours.
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    • DERP Yeah cause I didn't like that comment so I re-formulated it. :D
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    • DERP I'm right just get used to it.
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    • DERPINA Numbers=people who give a shit to make a differnce and americans have more money than they know what to do with so donating to change someone elses life is the leastthey can do. Have u ever been out of the states and seen it first hand?! Close minded. Peace out.
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    • DERP Except most of the people who donated, gave to Invisible Children who profited of 70 percent of the donations, plus the congress declares war and all foreign and domestic problems so you have no voice at all. I guarantee that our congress will do nothing. You can donate all you want and so can everybody else but it wont, has not, and will not help them. The warlords take everything so good luck!
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    • DERP Plus were 15 trillion in debt and have no money, anything we have is borrowed from China, and you obviously know it's a dismal idea to lend borrowed money. (Example: 1939)
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    • Clayton Claymanv VanDyken
      Look im not saying that Kony shouldn't be stopped, but i dont think the US is the thing to do it. If anything, the UN and thats if anything. And your argument about caring for others is irrelevant, for we have tons of knowledge on chinese children being enslaved, with some suffering worse problems than the Ugandan children, but we dont stop them. And not to be nit-picky, but the US doesnt have the most MAN power... technology and overall power yes, MAN power, no. Also, at you're comment about the central american children, yes, i know and i understand, but their problems can be fixed without military intervention. They need international aid, not the US military. And 30% is better than nothing? Im sorry, but im going to have to turn that one on you. Say you get payed,idk, 750 a week while you're almost living on the streets. Then you're boss says "heres 30%, thats better than nothing." your not going to be very happy with 225 dollars. I would also like to say again that i do not like Kony and think he should be stopped, and yes, i would like someone to help if my children were raped and kidnapped. But you forget that the side Inv. Child. Inc. advocates for does the same exact thing. And i am confused on your "if the US tried fixing things with numbers instead of forces..." comment. If not forces (like ICI wants) then what? Money as Quantosuggested? Technology? Money-wise alot of us cannot do alot. And if we do/can i would rather donate to a Ugandan releif foundation that is more reliabe and would put more than 30% than ICI. Technology we could do abit, and i dont think that thats a bad idea. But the idea that a ton of people who saw the video and are aware of what is going on can simply protest it away is not possible. We can protest against Kony all we want and i can guaruntee you he'll sit there in africa and laugh, asking "Why should i care?" Also i think what ICI is advocating for is more selfish than me and Matt's. 3 men taking 70% of profits, advocating for martial aid to help a dictator (who's done the same as Kony) is much more selfish than a couple people warning about how ICI is corrupt and that help should come from a more reliable source, and that if military aid ultimatley is neccesary, then it should be the UN's and not solely America. Personally i think America walking in with guns saying "we are going to stop evil here in Africa and help you civilize" sounds awfully similar to the White Man's Burden (the excuse Europeans gave for colonizing and enslaving Africans) And @Quanto, i wouldn't say it is all their fault. It would be European imperialism that first made Africa attempt "civilizing" and that introduced various cultural and religious differences. Think of Japan modernizing and industrializing, except completely melted down and failed. That's what happened to Africa. Once again i would just like to say that i am in favor of stopping Kony and i am honestly glad to see all these people taking interest in lives of others, however i don't think that the way the video KONY 2012 suggests is right.
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    • DERP2
      in regards to 32% going directly to the charity, yes but that is much the same for most many non profit organizations (people cant survive working for free). The main goal of invisible children isnt for us to donate money to them to give toany charity, it is called the invisible children in efforts to make the child soldiers of africa "visible". That takes money to bring the picture home to america so we can realize alot of the things we just dont hear about in our papers and news. they are raising awareness which costs money and alot of it in order for our government to realize that it is a big issue to take care of Kony.
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    • Clayton Claymanv VanDyken It doesn't necessarily cost money. I could have made a very similar video for free (although i'l admit not nearly as good) and i would like to see the statistics of charities that only give rougly 30%. And im not saying its bad they made awareness out of it, but they should have also made aware the similar crimes the actual Ugandan dictatorship has created.
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    • DERP
      You do realize non-profit is just that right? No profit. When you do make a profit and claim you don't is tax evasion. (Al Capone) And actually no, that isn't their goal, the money they did get went to funding the Ugandan Army which is justas bad as Kony. If you don't believe me you can look up pictures of them holding AK's with the army. Not only that but many people have criticized ICI as being to radical, and a militant group with how they "solve" problems. Like Clayton said this a United Nations issue, not just the U.S. if you want to support getting Kony then so be it, it is your money. We're just saying don't just watch the ICI video and start preaching, because the video is just very strong propaganda. I do believe Kony should be stopped, lets make that clear. I do not endorse what he does, or has done or will do, but what many people suggest and what the ICI suggest are terrible ways to go about the situation. And if they really want to show REAL problems that weren't for profit, why not show the kids self immolating in China, or the sweat shops in Korea or Vietnam. Or even more prevalent problems in super power countries like Russia and how Putin is cutting off any kind of freedom of speech. There are plenty of problems in this world, and plenty of them are either just that countries problem or the UN's.
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    I'm getting tempted to put that picture on Facebook to see what people say now.
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    Anyone else like how the way they assume a photo of a black man in a jungle wearing military fatigues is Kony is actually a teensy bit indicative of racism.

    Oh sweet irony...
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    I would do it, but I have 16 friends *forever alone*
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