Kim Jong Il is dead.

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Lenin Cat, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. UnholyKnight800 Well-Known Member

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    Good luck with that Mayor.
  2. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    No but seriously back on topic,

    Is anyone going to mention the three generation struckle in Korea? and what are the chances of Korean Unification?
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  4. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Both North and South Korea pushes for it and want it (though neither wants to give up countrol) though the 3rd generation North Korean elite might be willing to.
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    Like you said neither wants to give up control. If they ever do reunite I think it's going to take a long time.
  6. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    I'm going to work on a Korean Unification Paper, I'll post it when I can.

    The south is more then willing, the North its going to take some time however it will happen just not 2moro.
  7. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Back around October, I was thinking about writing one and sending it around, just to see what happens. Never did and quite frankly, I have mixed opinions about doing it now.

    For the matter of reunification:
    Easy. If the South Koreans want to get China to back it, just promise to kick the U.S. bases out of Korea. I can all but guarentee that the Chinese will leave North Korea in about a month.
  8. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Oh come now Imperial you know the Koreans would never kick out America.
  9. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    You never know. There have been some both in South Korea and in Western media that have called the U.S. to withdraw. The people are getting antsy and the question is not whether or not they want the U.S. to withdraw, but whether they want it badly enough to act on it.
    And remember, if the North and the South unify, then a good chunk of the population will be emerging from a U.S.-backed sanction. The North Korean population is believed to be around 24 million and the South Korean population is believed to be around 48. Even with that, it will still hold that 1/3rd of the population. And they will have voting rights. They will not be so kindly thinking to the U.S., methinks. The enmity they hold would be a boiling tension point.

    The big question is whether the South values their unity more or their ties to the U.S., as I am sure that they see the problem. With Kim jong-Il's death, they will have to choose a side soon. Its practically now or never.
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    I don't see how any of that makes sense. The US being in south korea makes sure war doesn't break out, it hardly stops peaceful unification. The main reason they haven't united is the north is a bunch of brain washed zombies to a recently deceased fat moron, and perhaps his newly crowned fatter son who is possibly even stupider. The north would love to unite, under a crazy fucking dictator ship.
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  11. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    It is a matter of usefulness. The U.S. is there to prevent the continuation of the Korean War. But with a unification, the South would become even more convinced that the U.S. is no longer serving its original purpose as it would become a pointless exercise to have them there. In practical, foreseeable terms of course.
    Actually, it kind of does in a sense. Imagine if you had a dog that you had bite your brother day after day and then run him up a tree for a couple decades where he starved and had to get food from your neighbor. You think that he will want to come down if you still have that dog? No matter how well-trained that dog is? Getting rid of it would put your brother and you on equal grounds and thus better terms.
    Regarding the leadership: I think that they were just following their own ideologies, for better or worse.
    Regarding the people: I would never underestimate the North Korean people. I hardly think them fools.
    Kind of hard to be a dictator when you are a moron. By all accounts [coming from Americans who have met him], he appeared to be quite the competant man.
    Less informed than his father, but I would hardly think him stupid. Over a decade of grooming does have its perks.
    I was talking about the people more than the government. Of course the government would want to step lively in a reunification - they would be losing all of their control, their power. The people on the other hand may support it because they have less to lose.
  12. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    People are more afraid of the new Kim trying to prove his ability to lead in some brutish blaze of glory. A renewal of conflict is more possible than unification.
  13. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    The door can swing both ways. But the swing towards conflict is blocked by both the U.S. and China. China would not allow North Korea to go unleashed unless they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. As it stands, they were angry about the artillery firing a couple of months back because the North Koreans did not tell them ahead of time.
  14. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    I don't think so, Mind you he is of the third generation Koreans meaning that he is has more western influence, expecally in areas of economics. Also as of now he does have the rule power of Korea that goes to the uncle Chang Sung-taek.

    Now here is a question, Is it Possible that Kim jon il's son killed his father?
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    By all evidence that I know of? No, not really.
    He had more to lose than to gain from it.
    If there is a conspiracy, then it is probably someone trying to influence the young Kim and clear his father out of the way.
  16. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    There are only two people who do that, Kim's brother or Kim's Daughter.
  17. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    I don't know that much of Kim's daughter, but I doubt it since she has little chance of real power herself... though that is motive.
    As for Kim's brother... maybe. But it would follow that he would have to kill the Kim jong-un as well and two deaths in the family is suspicious. Two deaths in any family for that matter, power or not.
  18. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    She quoted by many North Korean Defectors as being "Smart, pretty, and even more cunning then anyone in the family" Usually when Kim had to make trips he relied on her to do most of the "work" (not the introduction, you know the hard paper work that is far more important) she also is from what I'm told pretty well liked by the people and the elites, however being a woman that might not matter.

    She is head of the countries Propaganda and Security department, which gives her a huge advantage. and Unlike her brother she earned her military rank of Lt. colonel.

    Not to mention, the rest of the brothers like Her way more the Un, so there might be a sibling riveraly going on behind close doors.

    And she educated in both North Korea and France

    Kim brother is going be a puppet master of Un for a while.

    There is an old Korean Saying that goes something like "Young people don't last long in political positions, unless they follow what is told"
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  19. CrazyManiac Well-Known Member

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    The first thing that came to my head, when i saw the dead notification on the newspapers etc, I thought they would establish a somekind of martial law and the Army would take over for a time, but it seems that didnt happen. The Korean conflict is a delicate, almost like when you build your boat and try to keep it together.
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    If the Korea's unified, it would be a so boss country, North Korean military would be better equipped.

    South Korea would bring industrialization and importantly ELECTRICITY to the North.

    And they accepted a Juche ideal and Protectionism, it would be so self reliant IMO.

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