Libya Superthread

Reminds me of fallout 3 where you can make your own weapons.

You are an idiot.

Do you support tyrants? Because that is what you are doing here.
The monstrosity of your words is gigantic! LONG LIVE THE LYBIAN REVOLUTION!

The libyan revolution has been stolen from the libyan rebels by the national transitional council, a puppet of NATO.

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The libyan revolution has been stolen from the libyan rebels by the national transitional council, a puppet of NATO.[/quote]

There are no puppets here. That is only an opinion from your ideological view.
Lybia must be free. NATO did not even used ground forces, but still left-wing extremists like you, have the necessity to continue bashing those who are helping spread freeom (something you hate).

I do not support Qaddafi, he is a murdering scumbag. I want actual freedom, I want equality and common ownership, that is something you hate. Property is theft, not freedom. The national transitional council stole this revolution of the peoples uprising against a tyrant, Qaddafi. The national transitional council gets financial aid, air military support, and other means of support from NATO. This "help" will lead to massive influence on the future government of Libya which will turn it into a puppet of NATO.

The rebels have managed their own affairs within their territories and they can have whatever economic system they want.
P.S. Your quotes are messed up.

I tried counting all the generic smear in your post but I lost count.

Aid, Air Support, Diplomatic Recoginision. These are all things that get NATO influence into the National Transitional Council. Do you honestly think NATO would help rebels if they were against there interests? NATO is helping the rebels because its in the national interests of the USA and its ally's to influence the rebels so when they gain control of all of Libya, they have a debt to NATO that they will repay with influence and cheap oil.

You all claim that the rebels are puppets of NATO, that NATO somehow controls them. Do you have any evidence at all to support that claim? And, by the way, how the hell does this "influence" come about when NATO is a multinational MILITARY organization?

What, you think they'll force the Libyans to join up in future conflicts? That maybe they'll set up a military base in Libya? Make them swear not to attack their neighbors? What EXACTLY can NATO even ask them to do that's so utterly outrageous?

It makes no sense at all that an organization like NATO (composed of many different participating nations) would be able to have a singular influence in the domestic government of Libya. If you want to talk about geopolitical realism, perhaps you should start by understanding exactly what role the actors you're discussing even have on the world stage.

Well first two are solely military help the third are they not supposed to be recognized. Also if they want to sell oil to Western nations go right ahead I see no problem with it.

Not to mention they are going to sell them replacements for all the infrastructure they blew up.

Well the rebels have already fixed up taken cities already.

I don't claim that the rebels are puppets of NATO, but rather the NTC is. Sure I do have evidence, when NATO finished "Operation Iraqi Freedom", the new Iraqi government gave cheap oil shipments to the USA. All of the nations within NATO have similar interests.

I dunno, those are all possible things they could do. Most likely cheap oil shipments and prevent them from making there gold standard currency they wanted to make for all of Africa to use for oil sales.

NATO is a alliance of various imperialist country's, thus they all have similar interests.

That's not evidence. That has nothing at all to do with what's being discussed here. Give me evidence that the rebels are NATO puppets, or that NATO has done anything to earn this 'imperialist' mantle in Libya.

Ah, just talking out your ass then.

Good ol' fallback to rhetoric when you have no evidence.

If anyone's intrested in Libya's diy weapons industry here are some further links. Pretty much the only reason why I follow this conflict.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/06/diy-weapons-of-the-libyan-rebels/100086/

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/libyas-diy-rebels-outfit-trucks-with-copter-rockets/

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/04/love-and-doorbell-fired-rockets-wont-save-libyas-diy-rebels/

The NTC has incredibly friendly relationships with NATO, and have promised cheap oil sales to Qatar already.

as for your 2nd statement:
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Why do we have to switch over to a gold coin to buy oil?

NATO is a alliance of various imperialist country's, thus they all have similar interests.[/quote:2v2qeoa2]

Could the whole cheap oil thing be because they want NATO/USA too like and support them. And, OMG you'll never believe this a goverment is acting in its own interests. :roll:

Qatar. You mean a major oil exporter, non-member of NATO, and long-time member of OPEC? As well, source this claim.

Right. His crazy gold standard across Africa (are you fucking kidding me with this?) scheme was the reason NATO intervened. Realize that this rebellion started several months before NATO got involved. That if there was no rebellion that there would be no NATO intervention. Makes this supposed conspiracy quite impossible.

And would you look at that, RT trying to pin the blame on America retroactively. For something we're barely involved in.

1. Thats what someone told me. They could be wrong.

2. The Rebellion was true, but the US stole the rebellion.