Libya Superthread

Until you can prove that they knowingly bombed the market specifically to target the civilians, I won't buy that assessment. Sounds more like bad intelligence to me.

14 Civilians killed in a market with no military presence even near it and you are just going to say. "Whoops, accident. Don't worry, we are somehow saving you guys by killing you."

Again, BAD INTELLIGENCE seems to be the likely culprit here.

On a side note, today/yesterday/Whatever, July 1st in Libya, you know what I mean, over 1 million gathered in Tripoli to show support for Libya and Gaddafi, a 4km long Libyan flag was carried.

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NATO's excuse is that Gaddafi has guns pointed at all of these peoples backs, if over 1 million people did not like him, no amount of soldiers could stop this crowd, proof they love Gaddafi.
You won't see these videos on CNN, because according to CNN, BBC, Al Jazzeera, etc etc everyone hates Gaddafi.

And now we play the waiting game for Kal or Observer to deny that these people are even real and it is all just smoke and mirrors....

I highly doubt this statement's true.

Then they would not call him a cruel tyrant.

I'm only doubting the very existence of of the "excuse".

Nope you are not allowed to defend your self against a un-resolution. It is not a legal action. It is like claiming self defense if a Cop tries to arrest you. If you do or threaten the executing countries of a un resolution you risk a full scale war that does not need the aproval of the security council, so china and russia can bitch as much as they want now. The NATO does not deliberatly target civilians stop making this ridiculous claims again and again without proof. It is strategicly and financialy unlogical to do so for NATO.

NATO can totally go around killing civilians for no total reason? I guess they left that one out in the UN Resolution.

You and Che really need to stop with this ridiculous notion that western militaries are deliberately "targeting" civilians.

Which they are doing. You guys need to stop licking the asses of the Western powers and always make them out to be the greatest in the world!

Rebel forces are retreating! Gaddafi forces are still holding out, even being constantly bombarded by NATO warplanes, and fighting on numerous of fronts!

How are they retreating they are advancing especially in the Western mountains. Also they are fighting on two fronts and the rebels are fighting on the same fronts and still holding out and sometimes even advancing.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/afric ... 16313.html
"Rebel Retreat"

Give me one good reason why.

So calling out naive unintelligent vilifying is licking the asses of the Western powers. :roll:

If no one is going to agree on what NATO is doing, there going to get blown away by airstrikes. NATO coordinate there strikes on civilians. When they have done the killing. They automatically blame Gaddafi for it, or it's the mainstream media job to go around spreading the total bullshit lies! If they were accidently killing civilians, than why not change the tactics, why not find another way round, without harming or killing civilians. BUT NO! NATO is still going to continue with the slaughter!

1. You have exactly 0 proof of these claims.
2. Coordinating all these bombing require A LOT of people and NONE of these people are going to protest?
3. They haven't been doing that great of a job on pinning these bombings to Gadaffi since the media and the civilians seems to know that it's NATO doing the bombing.
4. Its a COMPLETE waste of resources.
5. It's a HUGE risk with very limited reward and big consequences.
6. It's tactically and politically useless.
7. Your rallying more people against you.
8. IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE.

They may not be purposefully "targeting" civilians, but they sure as hell don't really care about collateral damage as long as they get their actual target(s).

So you are saying the UN can do literally everything in this world, illegally bomb your nation by participating in a civil war, and all you can do is just sit there and take it? Especially after they targeted your son and grandchildren. No nation in the world would do that.....

No it is you who constantly talk about legality i just wanted to point it out. And again the falacy of participating in a civil war. Un can sanction you for crimes against humanity and intervene in civil wars all they want, note the un can but not single countries without mandate. No there where plenty of options aside "just sit there and take it" complying with earlier resolutions and so on. Also your often quoted law of participation in a civil war only applies as long as both sides operate under the geneva convention.

They are protecting civilians by destroying Gaddafi military buildings they die from collateral damage like falling walls or glass. They are legally bombing it as the UN allowed it. You know very well what will happen if Gaddafi wins a holocaust. A few dead civilians is favorable to a holocaust of millions they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The rebels slaughter Africans, Genocide, and Libya kills rebels, defense. If anything the UN should be fighting on Gaddafi's side.....

Yes, Gaddafi is just going to kill millions.... The only people that will be killed are those that are tried for treason... Just as in any nation in the world...