Mandate justification for moderator actions (lock, delete, move, etc.) and that's it

Discussion in 'Site Policy and Rule Announcements' started by Kali, Apr 19, 2012.

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Do you think this suggestion is a good idea?

Yes. 20 vote(s) 55.6%
No, I'm just a douche like that. 16 vote(s) 44.4%
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  1. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    See my problem is that he doesn't need to convince people. The only person he needs to convince is Stalin. And that caan be done through a PM. No, I would not want that liberty. I really don't have any new ideas for the site. And the next new idea or suggestion I have, none of you will know about it because I'll send it to Stalin in a PM. There is no reason to attempt to convince others because the way this site is run no one besides Stalin needs to be convinced for a rule change to take place.
  2. Melanthropist Well-Known Member

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    So what, are you purposing such threads that try to discuss site policy be closed immediately? Or if you don't support that, you at least support acting like an asshole on it because, "meh. i think its stupid anyways."
  3. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Mosh, you're just a really, really, unintelligent human being, I'm not saying that to upset you either, it's just so damned true. You have literally said in this thread that you don't disagree with the proposal, you disagree with the person making it (Jesus, how many times did you reference me?). You claim that the mods are infallible because they were hand-picked by Stalin. Well, here's something interesting: so was I. I would still be a moderator if I hadn't decided to leave. Your faith in the moderators is unwarranted hero worship, and it certainly doesn't stand as an argument. Come back when you've got something more to talk about than how you worship the staff's dick.
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  4. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    This thread is turning into what Spencer took action against with the new rules. Get back on topic and lay of each other. This was a minor issues until all of your egos decided to have a pissing contest.
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    CYBER BULLY
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  6. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    I don't think you understand sarcasm....or trolling.....or any of those things. In fact, why don't you take everything up until my recent posts responding to Melanthropist to just be absolute random nonsense meant to get this kind of reaction. Now that's out of the way, I disagree with your proposal for two things.
    1.) The method of presentation, as I have said since I talked to Melanthropist.
    2.) I don't think the mods should have to give a reason for every single little thing they do. If you're too stupid to understand why your thread was locked, then refer to the Happiness and Smiles Act and the new site rules. After two or three times, you should pretty well understand that the mods really only lock threads for:
    1.) Going way too off topic
    2.) Becoming way too heated and charged with insults
    3.) Spamming
    Understand this, and I almost guarantee you can easily fit all locks under those three categories. The mods shouldn't have an obligation to baby you, and explain everything to you, your plenty mature enough to understand what your thread did wrong. For deletions, well it doesn't matter if there is an explanation because unless its on another thread or sent in a PM its going to be deleted anyways, which means the people who created and were discussing on the thread probably won't see it anyways. Finally, does it really matter why a mod moves a thread? It just means it was in the wrong section. There is no attempt to cover it up, or prevent people from seeing it, its just moved to the relevant section. You should understand why your (hypothetical) Communism vs. Capitalism throughout history thread was moved from the political events to historical events coffeehouse. Because it more relevant in one section than another. Could you give me an example of a mod "abusing" his or her power to move threads? If a mod chooses to write you an explanation, good. If they are in a hurry, or simply forget to leave an explanation, they shouldn't have to go back on to the forums to a shitstorm about them locking the tenth thread about the same exact thing in the PA. Seriously, are you people really that incompetent that you cannot understand why your thread was locked? It doesn't need to be another unnecessary rule to limit the power of the mods because the mods don't have any real power anymore in the first place. Stalin does. Which, incidentally, gives even more credence to my statement that this should have been sent in a PM.
    Yet you're still here....
    If you hadn't left then come back we wouldn't be having this discussion. Come to think of it, if you hadn't left in the first place then come back in such a fashion, then we probably wouldn't have the Happiness and Smiles Act in the first place. You can blame on Ler, if you'd like, but without you Ler never would have been questioned as much as he was, therefore the mods wouldn't have been questioned, therefore Stalin wouldn't have been forced to act on new site policy. Or, if you were still a mod, then yes Ler would have been questioned, once again most likely led by you. Or he may not have been allowed to run. Even if he had run, people wouldn't have accused the mods so much because they would have had Chelsea and Fey on one side, with you on the other, and fucking faggot and pedro in the middle. Therefore, once again the mods wouldn't have been questioned nearly as much, because you hadn't left in the first place. And therefore, we wouldn't have the Happiness and Smiles Act. So, if you had stayed, the forums wouldn't be having this discussion, and if you had left for good, we wouldn't be having this discussion.....
    Yes, such discussions can take place in PMs. The user (in this case, Kali), can message Stalin about site policy/rules. He may present his case and wait for Stalin's reply. If Stalin chose to accept it, then either him or a mod would then announce it, and could give credit to the user that presented it during the announcement. This avoids any threads like this, therefore avoiding any irrelevant arguments about site policy. Sending it in a PM will not change the outcome in the least, as Stalin will do what he feels is right for the site. All it will do is make the process much smoother and more organic, rather than having largely irrelevant and repeated threads clogging the PA.
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  7. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Everything you just said doesn't refute the central criticism I had of your 'argument': you treat the moderators as some kind of superhuman entities that should never work and never be held accountable for their actions. Even the other die-hard staff supporters recognize that the mods make mistakes, but you just give constant, blind approval for anything and everything they do, even to the point that you're trying to make excuses for them not to do what they're already doing. It's just ridiculous the lengths you go to in order to worship every action the staff takes.
  8. JosefVStalin El Presidente

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    Well I am just gunna lock this because like Leon said this was the exact kinda nonsense I hoped to avoid. It seems like some people are taking advantage of the fact I am in the middle of finals and need to focus on those to stir up shit.

    For the record I don't have a problem with mods locking threads in the PA because those are issues which are supposed to be dealt with by me, so if I am unable to deal with the issue because say, it's the middle of finals, I am ok with them locking the threads to prevent things from getting out of hand. Anywhere else on the forums it's a different story, but generally speaking mods on other places on the forums don't lock threads.

    So end of discussion thread locked.
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