Mubarak's Fall and the Domino Effect

You must take note that the only reason the revolution even happened was from the workers tired of all the crap they get and have the coruge to stand up for themselfs and earn themselfs a better life. Especially in asia were the living contions were near 2nd worst in the world, look at Vietnam. A french dump to something even better then the dump.

Sometimes, it is. Caring doesn't have anything to do with the effectiveness of a nation's foreign policy. Whether it achieved its goals does. And the US overwhelming achieves its goals.

The Korean War was a war to contain the "Communist threat." Rollback was proposed, but China effectively sealed the deal on that. Vietnam was always a war of containment. They are the same, in terms of justification.

Iran worked for a long time. The British are more to blame for the '79 Revolution than anyone else. Still, this is an example of where US foreign policy has failed. We learned from it and have not seen the same thing happen since.

South America has been one of the most successful arenas of American foreign policy. The only major setbacks to really any of our initiatives there have been domestic.

The USA's justification is irrelevant, it is only the end that matters. That's why I think the Iraq war is a good war, because I think the end was a good one for Iraq, others might agree. But fighting 2 wars over the same issue do not make them equally successful. Equally justified yes, but justification doesn't indicate good foreign policy.

They cannot run forever on this policy. That's what so many nations before did and they are all basicly gone.

This Arab revolution has socialist roots, its about the lack of employment, food prices, etc. This is a proletarian revolution. However the working class's of Arabia have not yet gotten class concessness and organized themselves into a vanguard party, this is most unfortunate.

Well, if the US doesn't interfere in foreign affairs, who will? While it definately didn't help in a lot of countries, in others it was necessary. Who's to stop another government like the one formally in Afghanistan and North Korea coming into power? Those countries would be a haven for terrorists, like Afghanistan. Especially if it were to come into power in a country like Iran, where they have the capacity to develop nuclear devices. That would spell doom to countries like ours, which has basically been black-listed in practically every terrorist organization that exists. Though we may not know it, the policy we have adopted might be better then the alternative. Still, I suppose we've only been black-listed due to our policy, so it's kind of self defeating. I guess the best policy is a balance between the one we have now, and the alternative. We just haven't found a balance yet.

Proletarian as in they sell there labor power for a wage. Are they not protesting for higher wages and a better life? Sounds like working class demands.

Leninism is a form of Marxism which is a science not a ideology. A science heavily based on socialism.

Higher pay is a class demand.


Marx did not ever say that service and/or agricultural wage earners were not prole, he simply never spoke of them.

Its called Scientific Socialism, Marx and Engels invented it.

History has shown that revolutions can and do create a regional domino effect. The American revolution in 1776 set the stage for the countries of Spanish America to rise up against their colonial masters and declare independence.

The French revolution is believed to have been the inspiration behind the Greek revolution in the nineteenth century.

And of course there were the more recent communist revolutions propagated by the rise of the Soviet Union.

There is every chance that more revolutions will occur; Yemen is looking ominous and there are rumours of discontent in Jordan. You just never know.

Oh and the Muslim Brotherhood isn't an extremist organisation, no more than the AKP is in Turkey. I don't think we're going to see Taliban-style sharia in the country just yet.

Both the AKP and Muslim Brotherhood support Islamism. Whether or not you call it extremist is up to you, but either way it's a bad deal for the West.

So do the Saudis and they're one of our biggest allies.

Western Security and Egyption Freedom should not be linked.

What the people of Egypt want is what they should get, whether we like there choice or not.

I think anybody is better than having a US backed president.

Saudis are not democratic. Their people hate the US for the most part. It's by virtue of the House of Saud that we can remain on good terms with them.

Turkey has a democratically-elected Islamist government, but they remain on excellent terms with the US. In fact, it is the Americans who are pushing for Turkish entry into the EU.

That was bad wording on my part; Turkey is a secular state.

What I meant was that despite this, the ruling AKP party has Islamist leanings, elected by a population that is overwhelmingly Muslim. However Turkey remains a key ally of the west and there's no reason why Egypt won't continue to be, even if the Muslim Brotherhood are elected to government.

Are you a Egyptian? No? Then stop trying to choose there leader.