Napleon, Hitler and a Russian Winter

No evidence, but I did remember reading on a book, that the Red Army wasn't prepared for any defences, the book said they were surprisingly in a position to attack the Germans, who knows?

D3adtrap wins this thread.

Sorry but the idea of the USSR fighting Germany as the invaders is actually false. The reason the soviets weren't in defensive positions is Stalins good faith of trying to keep Hitler from attacking him. True Russians were planning to invade Germany but not until later on in the war years. Before the war had started between Russia and Germany Stalin had been giving Hitler huge amounts of natural resources to keep him off him.

On the case of 19-20's-1940's time period for soviet invasion their is the whole inefficent thing but also the Russian civil war between the reds and the whites during that time (1917-1923) which would' ve depleted Russian forces.

Not only were papers found, but senior Soviet officials admitted as such after Stalin died.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/stalwarplans.html

Yeah, reportedly Stalin was furious that he wasn't aloud to strike first.

My source is history my friends and a book called the Greatest battle fight of Moscow 1941-42.

Yes Stalin was planning to invade the Soviet union but not until later hence the Non-agressoin pact. DOes no-one remember this stuff? The soviet army was un-organised just after Stalins purges and lacked many senoir officals that had been veterans in it. Now Stalin did have fears of a Japenese invadsion hence the lateness of the relocation of the Siberbian troops but his intelligance found the japense with a lack of winter clothing for an invasion of the lateness they would've launched one.

In turn if Stalin was expecting to invade Germany why did he refuse to believe desterters who crossed his border surely he would've used the casus belli of pre-emptive strike and struck first?

Stalin was planning to invade Germany in 1942. Obviously he wasn't ready but did that stop him when he invaded Finland? NO! Which is why he would have invaded Spring 1942, been beaten back, and allowed Germany to have an entire half a year of fair weather to persecute an attack.

Ah now that I agree with. Every other time you've mentioned Stalin invading Hitler i've been sat here thinking you were all on about 1941 because then he defiantely wasn't ready to invade.

Its a good book with a mixture of Peoples real life stories and such.

It aslo mentions that before the Germans reached Moscow Stalin had already set up plans for partisan actions and certain buildings to be detonated to prevent the germans using them, or when they had set up command posts in them.

He wanted to attack in 1942 however he didn't expect the Germans to attack first giving to the fact that they had no supplies for a war in Russia and any build up it look like was a plan to invade Britain.

True Stalin was convinced to at least move some forces to the German border.


But honestly I find it amazing how winter worked for the Russians against the Germans, but against them when they fought the Fins. Two sides of the same penny kinda thing isn't it?

Also back to the Germans unprepared for winter thing, any of you know that German rifle oil froze at the temperutures it reached in the winter at Stalingrad?

True Story.

Yeah, Hitler saw Russia modernizing so invasion in 1941 was his only acceptable option.

We also have to Recall that Hitler saw the Russian people as Sub-human unable to defend the country at all, and Czar Russia didn't do that well in the first world war (and hitler viewed the Monarchiest Russia as far better then any "jewish Bolshevist russia") so with that its no wonder Hitler attacked with limited supplies.

Hitler had some crazy notions...

Hitler had some crazy notions...[/quote:3o0wynlm]

No shit.

Actually, his notions had no shit on them at all. You are correct Viking!
This was pointless and dumb...
*facepalm