New colonies and a war on drugs

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  1. Warburg Well-Known Member

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    Considering the price of weed would be greatly reduced if it's legalized, and the fact that even something like coffeine is more addictive, I'm going to have to say that's wrong. Could you provide any links to suppport your claim, because I've never heard about this.
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    Actually they do through the taxes placed on them. I don't really know what buying land as to do with any of this really.
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    Your funny.
    http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/index.htm
    Do you really think the government would be the only one selling weed if it was legalized? Its like saying only the government could sell alcohol! And once other companies start selling it the price goes up. There will be no "regulated prices" if you can go and buy weed at a gas station. Oh and by the way where is the government going to get all this weed?
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    You sir have obviously never been to Canada. We control the sale of alcohol here in my province at least anything with more alcohol content than beer usually has to be sold at the LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) which is a crown corporation. Marijuana is not exactly the hardest thing to grow either there is one guy in BC who legally grows warehouse upon warehouses of marijuana.
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    Canada is also a much smaller (in population) and calmer country than America. Its much easier to regulate alcohol there than here.
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    A lot of weed in the U.S. is grown in Canada I hope you know that we don't use most of what we produce the rest usually gets sent to the U.S. and why can you guys not work on controlling it isn't that hard.
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    That's funny, because never in my life have I ever seen anybody getting fucked up over weed. Another funny thing is that most of my dad's friends (who are in their 50's) have been smoking pot consistently for over 30 years, and yet, none of them are living on the streets stealing car stereos to buy their next bag.
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    The guy next door is in a clinic for his addiction. One personal case doesn't mean anything, it's the statistics that matter.
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    It's not the actual drug, it's the people. There are people out there addicted to otherwise non addictive things (buying things, eating, sex ect.) but we don't ban those things.
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    That's true, but this is different. First of all, there's about ten times the amount of nicotine in marijuana, as in cigarettes. So it is physically addictive, just not the parts that are only in marijuana. Second of all, marijuana is also psychologically much more addictive because of the kick it gives you, and if you're also addicted to nicotine too, you're fucked. Third of all, marijuana is very dangerous, which buying things is not.

    That doesn't mean I disagree with you. I think people shouldn't want a government to tell them what to do. "Hey, I don't want to do drugs! Let's get the government to make it illegal, so I can't do drugs!"
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    Actually, all those things have addictive potential.
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    Psychologically, yes. Physically, no.
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    Doesn't really matter, they are still addictive.
    And there IS a physical aspect to the addictions.
    But mayhap I am misunderstanding what you mean by 'physically'.
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    Everything is addictive. And with 'physically', I mean that there are substances, like nicotine, which settle in your brain and your body becomes dependent on to functional properly.
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    That's a fucking clinic that makes money by making people believe they're addicted to weed because they like it... Get your facts and sources straight and do not use biased sources. This is a fucking joke...
    And just because you annoyed me. It's you're not your. I don't own any funny.
    Which isn't all that wierd. A government can actually control corporations, and not just the other way around.
    Actually this is completely wrong. Once it's legalized the price will drop significantly and something called supply and demand will determine the price. You can actually grow weed quite easily, like many other plants. It's not like it requires a lot of special care... Do you even know anything about weed?

    Weed contains no nicotine, that I've ever heard of. Sources? I'm actually positive that you're wrong.
    Not really, I mean of course you shouldn't drive a car, but you don't turn into a monster because you smoke weed. It doesn't make you another person. Eating disorders can be extremely dangerous, should we force people to eat food if they're skinny and put them on a diet if they're fat?
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    So, yes, they are physically addictive.

    When you commit to one of the actions that you listed as non-addictive, your body releases a number of chemicals one of those chemicals is dopamine, which you can get addicted to. Yes, your body needs it to function normally already, but you can become addicted to it. Some illegal drugs operate by taking the place of dopamine, others merely trap the dopamine in the receptor area and cause the person to become addicted to the dopamine. Because it is the illegal drug that they percieve to have taken the place of the dopamine, they become psychologically addicted to the illegal drug and physically addicted to the dopamine.
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    You're right, I was wrong about the nicotine part. But it does contain more toxic substances and tar, plus, most people smoke it mixed with tobacco. And a joint doesn't have a filter, which a cigarette does.

    What are you talking about? Didn't you read my whole post? I said we didn't need the government to decide for you what to do or not.

    The dopamine isn't retrieved from the drugs, but from the brains itself, so I think that doesn't count. But I'm not sure, you should look it up if you'd want to know for sure.
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    A cigarette is certainly the most unhealthy of the two, no matter the filter. Marijuana is 100% natural, while the tobacco companies add a lot of unnatural substances. Your lung capacity will likely drop, but that will be temporary and is not going to affect the average person a lot.
    You're also not going to be smoking 5 or more joints a day like you do when you're addicted to cigarettes. The point was that weed isn't physically addictive like tobacco. The psychological effects are a lot more complex, and it's hard to not be addicted to anything in your life.

    Yeah I know, I answered as I was reading and left it in so Mosh could read it. Sorry about that :)
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    What?! How can a cigarette be more unhealthy?! First of all, marijuana is almost never 100% natural, especially not in the illegal circuit. And did you ignore the fact that, apart from the nicotine, all the toxic substances and tar is found more in marijuana than in cigarettes?

    Dude, people who smoke tobacco don't land in clinics for months to get clean. Of course you're not going to be smoking for more than 5 joints a day, but joints are much, much worse than cigarettes. It's not physically addictive, but it is in combination with tobacco, which almost everyone combines it with.
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    Under that logic, some illegal drugs are not drugs at all!
    And some of them stimulate the brain to create to dopamine, so yes, they are major factors.
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