Obama Plan vs. Ryan Plan

Dude....don't be a commie trust me, I was a commie supporter but now I have seen the truth and well I learned the truth I was in disbelief but now I know that communism is bad.

Just like base-level Communists probably never look up Communist policy. They hear the rhetoric and blah blah blah. It's the same story for every other group out there.

I don't care about the merits of Libertarianism, you were just making their position sound stupid by wording it obviously in a way that most people who consider themselves a Libertarian probably wouldn't to make it sound stupid. That is an empty arguing technique and a dick move.

Fuck you. Insult me directly if you must, but please save me the pretentiousness.

Like Communism Victims such as my family during the hostile take over of Vietnam 1975.

Jesus Christ, Ler....

Libertarianism isn't malicious, it's uninhibited. The values and ideals that libertarian doctrine supports are desirable. However, because the world is not made of lollipops and rainbow sparkles, we should look at what can actually be done today to address the problems of today. IR realism and Keynesian economic policy are the fundamental building blocks of a standardized and accurate geopolitical model.

The difference between Communism and Libertarianism is the Libertarianism is an accepted ideology in the west, wheras communism isn't. If you go around calling yourself a communist at school, or in a workplace, you're more likely than not gonna cop flak for it, and be called insane/evil. Wheras if you openly declare yourself as a Libertarian, either people won't care, or they will think of you as intelligent. The physical commitment which exists in being openly communist doesn't exist for Libertarians, so while that class of people do definitely exist in the Communist movement, they don't exist to the level of which they do in mainstream ideologies.

I really didn't mean to come off as offensive. When it comes to politics, I tend to have a cold, or very old 'British-y' style of speak. I don't think of you as intellectually inferior, but it seemed as if you probably haven't read much from non-libertarian sources. That, again, does not make you inferior in my eyes.

@ Pedro - As communism is a non mainstream ideology , the overwhelming majority of communists in the west have been capitalists, or even anti-communists at some point of their life. Because of that, most of us have had plenty of exposure to anti-communist material, and understand well the arguments against our ideology. Most base-level Libertarians have not had that same exposure to anti-libertarian material, and for the most part, have only heard from pro-libertarian sources on the matter. So I think it is fair to conclude that there is a difference between most communists, and most libertarians on the issue, at least in western/capitalist countries.

I would agree though that one should read opinions from both sides of an issue, before taking a definite stance.

Edit: For the record - Before I converted, I used to use the term 'Communist' as an insult.

Ler, I'm sorry but you have no idea how incredibly douchey you sound.

Libertarianism isn't nearly as extreme as communism. Libertarians don't advocate the destruction of society or a change in the basic human nature. They support limited government, low or nonexistent taxes, and hold individual rights to be inviolable. Naturally, those things are more accepted than abolition of property, enforced equality, and permanent revolution.

I'm geeking out because I think he was serious with this comment. Compelling argument dude.

Doesn't really change anything. Plenty of stupid communists still.

I haven't read much from libertarian sources either. I'm not a libertarian. My problem was with the silly ask yourself questions then answer them thing you did, not whether or not libertarianism is good to go.

Maybe it's totally different in Canada then, because up here nobody knows fucking anything about communism and they all think it's just the greatest thing in the world. People my age anyway. They legitimately know NOTHING about it they just walk around wearing Che shirts and talking about how the bands they listen to you have never heard of. You might find some weird hick groups that are against it but they don't know what communism entails either.

I'd already said pretty much all that needs to be said on the issue, and your posts appeared more to serve the purpose of brushing off what I said, rather than inviting me to state my opinion further.

Dude, you outright lied about Libertarianism. Actually, I don't even know what to say. I'm dumbfounded.

And what exactly did I brush off?

Where exactly did I lie about it?

Here.

Hate libertarianism for the right reasons people. Fucking impractical decentralized agrarian mindsets and Alex Jones.

So, I realize each of us is all fired up here, but I think we should take a step away from this before it turns into another shitstorm.

LOL Dude nobody is fired up, unless you are. I'm just at a loss for words because what you have said is just so shockingly misinformed.