Obamacare's Birthday

A deficit is okay to run, the US can go for years on a deficit... Bankrupcy is a different issue. I'm a conservative and I know he can't bankrupt us, just weaken us

But.... but.... It's socialist.......

This is what we're dealing with here, you silly communiststssts.

Did you ever think about what the other 46% want? Or the fact that people might want it repealed strictly because they are conservatives? Or the fact that the average American has no fucking clue what Obamacare actually is? Or the fact that some people just despise Obama because he's black so they just go against everything he says for no reason? Seriously.

I do, and I prefer not to have 'Obamacare'... I don't understand how it's predicted to save money

No Shaw... You are the socialists!

Actually I made an error, not 54%, its 56% and not 44% who are for Obamacare its 39% with the rest are undecided according to Rasmussen Polls:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

Another poll said that 22% in it think that Obamacare would improve their lives:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/19/republicans-prepare-to-celebrate-obamacare-anniversary/

So in the end the the people who do not know what Obamacare would be are undecided while the people who do know what it is take a side.

The government would be spending more money. Precisely $940,000,000.000 per ten years according to the government, but several sites have said that the government has massively underestimated how much it could really cost. It could actually be 2.5 trillion to 3 trillion to cost just within the first decade. To read more here are two sources:
http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-bom...stimate-costs-ppacas-exchanges-204549593.html
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-would-cost-over-2-trillion

It is thought today that the richest people in the United States own somewhere between 500 billion to at least a trillion, but we cannot be exactly sure, but it is somewhere between thos two numbers.

In order for the government to get the money to pay for Obamacare it would take the 1.1 trillion in the current system + all the rest of the money needed would likely be in taxes. Now we cannot afford it and the majority of the population knows it, that is why there are several wavering Democrats on this issue.

So if "Obamacare" is so bad, why have other countries flourished with similiar systems. Like for example, Canada, Switzerland (yes sirdust i read your post), Singapore, France (well most of Europe), all who have much better healthcare quality than the US...and its FREE or cheap.

In our current system: So and so doesnt have enough money to buy health insurance. So and so gets a heart attack. Just for checking into the ER, so and so is basically in enormous debt that he does not have the money to pay off. All because he got a heart attack. Why should so and so have to be in debt for another decade because he was too poor to buy medical insurance. Why should you have to pay to keep yourself healthy? YOur health should be free or cheap, because it is what keeps you ALIVE.

edit: also I noticed you never responded to the article I posted.

edit 2:

So basically you are saying 40% of the population should be ignored. If 40% of the population thinks our healthcare is bad, it is time for a drastic change. Also, once again you failed to consider the amount of people who have no idea what this does, people who oppose it just because they are republicans, and people who just have some vendetta against Obama for no reason.

The post I responded to included no source. I think that surviving from a heart attack is better than losing your house, car, life savings, etc. because that is what would happen when we would have to raise taxes over a trillion to pay for Obamacare. I believe that we should do what the people want us to do. Now who has the majority 56% or 39% (your for some reason thought it was good idea to round to the nearest 10 to make it seem like you had a little itty bitty more support). Only 22% again said it would help them based on another poll so since you like rounding that would actually reduce to 20% because you follow liberal math. Then you raise taxes on them and that causes many people to lose a lot of money that they would not be able to drive to a hospital! Thus Obamacare causes more bad than it does good.

Then most of Europe would be overwhelmed by the sheer number of homeless people then. Oh wait, it isn't. A rather strange line of argument when arguing against universal health care. If you're talking about the large population of the US, I'm sure the US economy is strong enough to support universal healthcare, especially since Stalin has already said that public healthcare actually saves money.

What do you think is going on in Greece?

Fuck it, we're all socialists.

I prefer the term extreme socialist/capitalist

counter argument, what happens to Switzerland, oh yea that's right........ freaking 1.6 billion surpluss. Also look at the nordic countries. Real shitholes that are close to be broke.
Edit: i just wanted to make clear that, while yes greece spent to much their real problem is the lack of industries/busineses. Spending is part of the problem but not the cause.l

that statement..... i dont even know how to respond. i would MUCH rather die than live the rest of my life with absolutly nothing and have to live in absolute poverty. I respect your beliefs but your idea of good healthcare is sick. People should never ever be put in front of money. Hospitals exsist for the sole purpose of helping people, and they should have ONE priority and that is the health and well being of their patients not how much money they can squeeze out of them before they give them the boot and leave them out to dry.

Italy maybe next.

IF you cannot afford it doctors are not going to sit their and not help you. They are under oath to help anyone who is hurt.

Italy's problem has nothing to do with healthcare. Absolutely nothing. Their problem is they had a corrupt leader who would much rather spend his time and the countries money at the strip clubs then actually trying to do something. Italy is getting back on track now though. Also, I wasnt talking about my recent post. I was talking to the one a few pages back where I posted a TIME article and you seemed to ignore it completely.

I'll post it again:

of course they will, but after that you have nothing and would probobly wish you were dead