The thing is here that I'm a reformed roman catholic and all of you are different faiths and beliefs. I am just telling you from my view as a catholic while you guys are interpreting it from other views. We are probably never going to agree on any of this.
You did say, that whatever god commands is morally correct. They claim that god commanded them, you havent prooven otherwise. (to use christian logic) What about "keep the Sabbath holy"? It does apply to christians too. When did yopu last stone someone for working on the sabbath? What about the commandment that forbids you to talk to women that are currently in theire period? When did you last stoned a woman for having sex before getting married? Never? why? You cant just pick what you like about your book, and disregard the other... EDIT: Also, I was a ctaholic, so dont talk to me about that point of view bullshit....
Now hold up, non extremists and fundamentalists do not preach or promote killing others. Period. Taking a holy book literally for every word, a book that has been around for ages and was written and translated many times by men who probably influenced them with their own views at points, that is not right and no-one who does not do that would accept the killing of others for their religion or what have you. Religion does not have to be harmful and anyone who says that it does is being ignorant. People should be able to believe whatever non harmful beliefs they want and it's only the extremists of any belief regarding religion that makes them harmful.
Which is why I don't believe in everything the Bible says, because it wasn't written by God. The Commandments were directly from God. We can't fully interpret the "God told me to do it". Did God tell him? Did he just think it up? Who knows, humans lie. To put it short, God is all-good, regardless of what he does. Faith in God is the only way to access heaven. The Ten Commandments is the ultimate Code of Law (for me). I don't trust when people say "God told me to do it" because they are human.
And how do we know this? So I can kill 6 billion people. Then I can claim I am sorry and beg for forgiveness and get into heaven? You have to be freaking kidding. So we should govern people by the 10 commandments?
If I cant trust some parts of a book for fact which believers claim comes (or is inspired) from an allmighty, allknowing entity, why should I or you take other parts from there for a fact, believe it, and live my life to it? Either you believe what the book says, and that means every last god damn bit of it, or you are cherrypicking. Which you cant, while calling you a christian. It's like beleiving that Harry Potter is real, except all that magic and squidditch bullshit! I know its hard for you, but even try to make fucking sense! EDIT: @ Korean lol! The bible wasnt written by god, but the part where the Bible tells about plates written by god, that is obviously true! You are a troll, sir!
As Chealsea said, the book was translated several times over 2 thousand years. Some things have changed. It was also not directly written from God, but from humans, so I can't trust everything in it. If it was directly from God, I would full-heartily trust it and live by it. to Sly Moses directly translated Gods words onto the tablets 2 times. There were hundreds of commandments, but they all round down to the ten most important.
Did I ever say take the bible as fact, any of it? No. Not believing in what the holy book says entirely does not equal not believing there is a God. The bible should be a guideline, it is not in my eyes the full word of God. It was written by men a long, long time ago when things were much different. A lot of it just does not apply anymore. Also you know it's hard for me but try to make fucking sense? Insults have no place here, if you can't respond without them then it shows how poor your ability to debate is.
My ability to debate is actually pretty good, but its hard to debate people with the advantage of the delusional power to not make sense at all The ONLY source you have for the existence of the god you believe in is the Bible. If the ONLY (cant stress that enough) souirce for the knowledge of this god cant be trusted, why do you believe? Thats the part where you should start making sense and say, that there is no real reason for beleiving in god, other because you want to believe it. Then I can call that stupid and we can stop this discussion that will lead nowhere because someone of us is in fact delusional Before you go on and try to school me in the history of the bible and bring up all the "historical evidence" of the sotries that are in the bible, you should know that I got a Bachelor in Ancient History (soon to get my Master), so dont even try to do it. I know that this very well covered period of history (Plutarch, Plinius the elder AND the younger to name a few) has absolutely no hints of a guy named Jesus or any other person in that book..... EDIT: Also, I dont give a fuck about your threat. I seen worse foul language on the forums on a daily bases. I wont treat you with satin gloves, just because your name is that of a female and in a different color.
I never asked to be treated with "satin gloves" because I am a female but no you can't call religious people stupid here. Believing in something to make our lives better, that personally makes sense to us and would not affect you if people would just allow others to believe what non harmful things they want and not force it on others, is not wrong. You can very well believe that God exists and Jesus existed without believing that you should stone a woman to death. It's about having an open mind and believing what makes sense and seems right to you, instead of blindly following a book.
The only reason you would want to ban religion, is if you were one of those 'Religion is responsible for everything bad' type militant atheists. That whole idea is just stupid - Yes, religion has been used as a justification for war and bad things, but the reasons leading to war, or poverty had always existed behind that. If religion were not founded, we would just find other justifications (Political ideology, race, etc). So what if they are wrong? Does them (Non extremist-religious types) believing what they do harm us in any way? The fact is religion does good for a lot of people - It gives them hope, helps them overcome day to day issues, and generally gives them a personal reason to try to be a better person. Also, the idea of banning an entire system of belief is completely dystopian. I don't want to live in a society where the government tells me what is, and what is not Ok to believe - That sounds exactly like a theocracy to me.
Way not to answer my question. Aces! Again: If the bible can not be trusted, how do you know of the christian god, seeing that are no other sources for his existence? EDIT: @ Ler No, religion is not the root of all evil. But its evil none the less...
I don't claim God's existence as fact, I believe in it however because it makes my life better personally. I said to take what seems right to you and not blindly follow it without having an open mind. Which means, obviously you realize that killing someone else is wrong and you would not believe that it was right even if it said that just because someone wrote it many years ago. However the existence of certain figures I do believe and trust. Almost no book that is that old and has been translated as much as the bible will be 100% accurate. You should also not take the views of someone else as yours entirely, without thought or question, which blindly following the bible does.
Delusional? Start making sense? I take those as personal insults. You may be good at debating, but you fail when you start calling people insults like the ones above. It makes you less credible. It's not worth debating with someone when all they are going to do is call you an extremist. I don't practice my faith because of facts and proof. I practice it because I "believe" in it. I believe in god because I think he is the true God and that this is the way I want to live my life. He drew me into this faith. I didn't decide to believe in him because of facts or proof. The Bible can't be trusted word for word, but it is the biggest source of information on our faith if not the only. I accept it as my holy book because most of it is credible and leads me towards living a better life. Even if it was written by man, I believe it to have most of what God wants us to live by. It has some taint, but it has been 2 millenia since its first writting.
'Evil' is not a physical, nor binding thing. It is a perception, entirely unique to humanity, and which differs completely from person to person - the very concept of which was invented by religion. Atheism is just as capable of being used as a justification for said 'evil' as any religion.
