Opening my eyes as an atheist

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  1. greatmustachio Mount & Blade Branch Head

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    And thats why I call it stupid ;)
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    I personally can not believe in something without a speck of evidence. HOWEVER, that does not mean I am gonna try to force other people to believe that there is no God. That being said, I would still defend and argue my point of view in a debate, just as all of us should.
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    Sorry, your comment got lost. its in 3. Moses 15-19
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    Sorry, I am having trouble finding this, most likely because there is no book of Moses in the Bible.
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    Oh, I'm sorry.... its Leviticus.
    In German versions of the Bible, its actually called 3. Moses. ()which mackes genesis 1. Moses and so on). My bad!
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    Oh good more religious sillies to squash.

    The fact is gentlemen that since no real rational thoughts can be put towards believing in a particular religion over all others we are forced to analyze your behavour just like it was anything else.
    The fact is you believe in something convenient to your current social parameters. You picked an arbitrary religion because you were afraid of two things :

    1. The search for purpose - you feel special because your religious. You feel that since you have found true faith that it somehow elevates you or keeps you closer to heaven. You are also comfortable because you think god created the universe and YOU in his image which is just a ridiculous self centered notion in the first place (must all be about me I exist duh it's all about me classic 2000 year old thinking).

    2. Social pressures - you feel the need to fit in with a group. Social animals are like that. I mean you can try to deny this but it's pretty ridiculous to think it isn't when religions are divided up in geographic area's of dominance.
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    Well it says, not touch, not cannot talk to. And by touch I assume they mean sexual relations.
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    Yeah, sorry I can not quote every verse from the top of my head, sue me!. Plus, I disagree in your opinion of its meaning. It says touch. The euphamism in Leviticus for sexual relations is "to lie together (with)", as is stated in the verse in Leviticus that points to homosexuality and sodomy. (dont have the verses of the top of my head either)

    But it really doesnt matter, fact of the matter is, that he didn't knew it was a commandement and thus could have acted against his believes (not saying he was, nor that it would be bad.... what happens in peoples bedrooms is there thing, really)

    EDIT: Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.""
    Also, please dont try to "make fun" of my knowledge of the bible when it is clear that I read the bible. Something most christians (here) clearly havn't done.
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    Can't we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

    On topic- I am a loosing faith Catholic, and I spread my "heresy" in believing in good acts rather than faith.

    I mean it's just so morally acceptable to do so..

    I cringe every time I visit my Right wing, fanatic of a uncle who watches faith channels and even worst Glen Beck, he makes my cousin read the Bible and do alot of religious activities.

    But to say that we should utterly destroy religion is just as worse.

    Such a wonderful world god has put us in..
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    Wait, @TheKoreanPoet, if you believe that you go to heaven based off of faith and faith alone, wouldn't that make you protestant and not catholic?
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    here in norway its more like 80%.
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    Norway is where its at man. ;)
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    we are just a bunch of heathens here in scandinavia.
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    I'm a reformed roman catholic. Plus the faith thing makes more sense than good works.
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    Hey greatmustachio, what's it like living in a country that has never heard of separation of church and state? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/11/20111130172224981450.html
    Now only Christian symbols can be displayed. But of course, since America is soooo ridiculously religious, I'm sure the same thing... oh wait, we have a law against that. So much for being radically religious.
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    u peeple r teh sheepz for da poop!
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    Since there is no christian prayer in school, the whole article is Bullshit. But thanks for playing dude :)

    To explain that further, cause I allready seeing you post another thing without actually thinking, we have banned praying from school completely. The only thing that is left, is the mandatory philosophy class, which can range from greek philosophy, to christianity and even Islamic studies etc.
    So if we really compare both school systems of our country, ours does not only produce smarter kids overall (cause your school system basically sucks in international comparison) it is also much more advanced in equality for all religious groups, especially muslims and non-believers.

    Not saying it is perfect though....
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    lolno. Let us face the facts about this here, bare in mind I will eternally be a agnostic and a non-practicing catholic.

    1 - Not really. Most Christians accept the Earth to be 4.8 billion years old now. Only fundamentalists would accept the view that the Earth is 8,000 years old and that it was made by man. If you consider the possibility of existence outside of time, prior to the existence of the universe then would it not be possible for something to never start i.e. God being an eternal being without a start point. There is nothing, scientifically, that prohibits the possibility of our universe being created.

    2 - This I struggle to argue against because I partially agree with it. I'm sure I don't need to point out that Christianity, Judaism and Islam all worship the same God, but I find it to be the other religions around the world that cause a theological problems. Despite this, they all account for one powerful being who lives in the sky and has an obscene amount of power. Perhaps they refer to the same deity?
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    What you said about 1 has little to nothing to do with my point, and I'm not sure where you dug that up from. Your nit picking on details. It doesn't matter when god created earth christians believe that the universe was created just for little old them. It's all about them see, it's just their trial before reaching heaven. The entire religion is a result of self-centered thinking as if that they are the only important thing in the universe.

    Also not all other religions account for magical sky daddies. While it certainly is prominent it is by no means the only way of thinking.
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    I agree to an extent, but you do have it the other way around. Its not the "other" religions that cause the theological problem, it's the monotheist religions that do. They came much later, and teach to be the one and only truth. While Polytheistic religions in most cases are much more inclusive towards other religions gods, thinking of them as other incarnations of their gods, or possible other unknown gods of the same panthenon.
    The "daddy in the sky" comparison is also not true at all, as many religions have either no gods or gods that manifest themselves on the earth etc.

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