Well, if you want if something to argue for God(s) besides the Bible, then how about how virtually every (non-modern, there are some athiest based societies in the Modern Era) society devloped the belief of God(s). It was used to explain it yes, it's just a bit more complex then we realized when we were saying it was glorious to sack viliages and slaughter poor farmers. Like economics to a child. Silly rules? You mean like don't muder and don't steal?
First of all, I am a Methodist, and I do believe the 7 days tale. However, I think that 7 seven days to an all powerful being would be billions of years to us. Secondly, God sent his son to die for us because he gave us the option to get forgiveness from him. He does not force himself upon people. He only gives forgiveness if you seek it.
So does this mean that you believe the Big Bang Theory? If so, what caused the Big Bang?[/quote] Well we don't really know what caused the Big Bang, but scientists are working on that. What we do know is that evidence we have right now suggests that the beginning of the Universe is the result of the Big Bang.
Well we don't really know what caused the Big Bang, but scientists are working on that. What we do know is that evidence we have right now suggests that the beginning of the Universe is the result of the Big Bang.[/quote] Ya, sorry, we'll get right on figuring out what happened billions of years ago for you. I mean, it's not like we could be doing anything else important, right?
I believe that I do not grasp the physics of the situation to make an accurate assessment of the situation with my limited knowledge... perhaps... perhaps not. I would like to believe its true, but I do not act as if it is a proven fact in conversation because I do not grasp the principles behind it. I thought I would clear that up before the bogus argument about since I believe in the big bang, I believe in science without evidence, thus making me a hypocrite... and if that wasn't your purpose, then what are you trying to say?
Incidentally there may not be any way to discern the cause of the Big Bang, and I always find people who call it into question for the defense of religion tend to ignore that we believe in a God that has existed for all time, and has no beginning. That said, I don't think there's absolute proof that the Big Bang occurred, and we can't ever prove that it occurred. It certainly does explain a lot of the reason behind things we have directly observed in the modern world, and I personally believe it makes sense.
Exactly! Well, except for the god part. I mean, we can always believe something to be true with out proof, but not act as if its true without evidence right? (Hint:think carefully, I'm trying to paradox you into admitting you don't believe in the scientific process ) The best argument, I think for religion is, "Well, it might just be a lot of baloney, but its the way I was going to act anyways, and following these rules does no harm, so why wouldn't I?"
I'm not an advocate of a purely positivist approach, so the theory of science is not my forte. I said 'we' because it's usually a religious argument to make (and I'm religious); that there is no discernible cause to the Big Bang, so it's just as much 'faith' as believing in God. Of course atheism and science aren't inherently related, so it's quite a stupid argument to even bring up.
I guess my point is that there is evidence that hints at the likelihood of a big bang such as the expanding universe, and time slowing down in higher gravity areas; thus the amount of time spent as a single point of mass was immeasurably small, as gravity was so high. Evidence shows that the universe is expanding, so it is quite easy to reverse the time line, and evidence shows that time speeds up the farther away from the core of the universe you are. Quite interesting but unprovable. However it is very likely. But to sit down and say that it is similar to God, who was written about by mortal men, and a man who claimed he was "the son of God", born from a woman who was probably unfaithful, is utterly ridiculous to me. I love how when people claim to have been immaculately conceived today, they are ridiculed... what changed? Hasn't it always been ridiculous?
I guess my point is that there is evidence that hints at the likelihood of a big bang such as the expanding universe, and time slowing down in higher gravity areas; thus the amount of time spent as a single point of mass was immeasurably small, as gravity was so high. Evidence shows that the universe is expanding, so it is quite easy to reverse the time line, and evidence shows that time speeds up the farther away from the core of the universe you are. Quite interesting but unprovable. However it is very likely. But to sit down and say that it is similar to God, who was written about by mortal men, and a man who claimed he was "the son of God", born from a woman who was probably unfaithful, is utterly ridiculous to me. I love how when people claim to have been immaculately conceived today, they are ridiculed... what changed? Hasn't it always been ridiculous?[/quote:33y6zjrt] Even if you don't believe in God, you don't have to try and make us part of a long, scientific explanation of why God does not exist. We believe that God helps us lead our lives better than a normal lifestyle can. Don't tempt us into doubting him. Don't force your beliefs onto us, and we won't force ours on yours.
Actually science neither denies or proves God. Also Pope Benedict XVI has accepted the big bang but just said God did it.
Its impossible to disprove the existence of a deity. Its very easy to disprove the existence of the Christian god as described in the Bible.
It's actually quite impossible. Proving a negative is functionally impossible. That's one of the major reasons that science doesn't concern itself with religion; it lacks the necessary tools to do so.
I said "as described in the bible". It is proven that the Earth was not created in 6 days, nor was it ever completely flooded, and it is billions of years old, not thousands. The bible is also very contradictory in its description of its God. Supposedly, he can always forgive you, which of course is why he ruthlessly murders millions of people, including children.
