Well I guess I'm sorry the US's national religion is Christianity. I'm sorry that Christians celebrate a religious holiday. And I'm sorry that some Christians judge others. The first two things are completely unreasonable for you to be resentful about. The third one however is a very good reason for you to feel this way. I'm a Methodist, and my church is very.....unorthodox. (Driving-a-motorcycle-into-the-hearth-room-to-make-a-point-kind-of-uorthodox) I try my best not to judge people. Christians have no right to judge people. However, people DO judge us BECAUSE we're Christians. And apparently, so do you. BTW about your signature, We believe that God gave us free will. That gives us the choice between doing either the right or wrong decisions. God decided that he would let us attempt to sort it out. However, if we trust in him, we will all be fine. Not live perfect lives, but live healthy, strong, and happy lives.
In that case I wouldn't say "national religion" as that implies that the United States has an official religion, which it does not.
Well I'm a sophmoore, and I took Geography last year. I seem to remember that in a list of facts I had to copy down, was a the major religion nest to each country. So I guess I confused the words Majority and Official. My Bad. I realize that there are other religions in the US.
I dont get how these fundamentalists can even begin to be called Christian anyway (im not even religious, Taoist at most) as Jesus said (paraphrasing) "...he without sin can cast the first stone", Its fundamental (lol) for Chrisitians to be un-judgemental and caring. Sometimes I think these people read the Bible but never actually comprehend it.
Thats exactly what my church teaches. We shouldn't judge since Jesus told us how to treat others. My church has been featured in the news a few times since that Terry Jones guy almost burned some Quarans (sorry if I misspelled). We have had muslims enter our church so as to do their ceremonies while their building has been under construction. It wasn't a big deal for us, but apparently it is for the rest of the world. Go Heartsong Methodist! But really, Christians have no right to judge.
The problem with this statement is that not all believers live long, healthy, strong, and happy lives. In fact, the mere existence of diseases or sickness in a world with god is perplexing to me. My beliefs as an atheist stemmed from the thought line: 1. God wants the best for humans, including happiness, as long as the person is morally a good person. 2. God gave us free will so that we could be happy. So far, so good. 3. God made it possible for diseases and cancers to develop in people, as well as the possibility of being born crazy or impeded by mental problems. 4. God is omniscient, so he would have to know these conditions would eventually exist. 5. The conditions exist, God is either not omniscient, omnibenevolent, or he does not exist. 6. If he does exist, and is not omnibenevolent, (looking out for humans overall good), why praise him or even acknowledge his existence.
If God made us live on a perfect world, it would be Heaven. If it were Heaven, then what would even be the point of exsistance? It would just be ignorant bliss.
You didn't debunk mine, but proved that my theory was unprovable. Which leaves us right back where we started. I'm not sure if I'm willing to admit that we live in a universe optimized for good. Perhaps that is what makes me an atheist. I am unwilling to ponder how an action might be part of god's plan of good.
All I was proving was that the Epicurean problem makes no sense, since we accept God to be all powerful, all knowing, and all caring. I'm not saying I can prove that's the case objectively, but I can solve the Epicurean problem (or the problem of evil in general, quite frankly) very easily within the framework of religion. As a result, it holds essentially no weight in the debate and shouldn't be used as an argument against religion.
Thank you Karakoran, @Sait? Then if they don't live those lives, then they serve as examples for how to live rightly without losing God's path. In fact what I had said before WAS wrong, most Jesus Followers don't lead happy lives. Do you know why? Because they are persecuted mercilessly by others. Others. Like you. BTW God rewards those who follow him and Jesus. Why would he reward people who don't listen to him? Sure, he causes diseases, but those can be seen as Come-To-Jesus moments. God gives people many chances to become followers. Who said God was omnibenevolent? Also Free Will does not mean happiness. It means that You get to decide your actions, not him. You can't convince us, and we can't convince you, so let it go, why don't ya?
Yes, I'm really persecuting you Does it hurt? Being up on that cross all day? If you don't want to discuss religion then don't come to a religion forum.
Not really, since you suck at insulting religious people. JustKidding. But really, I don't mind being insulted by people on the internet or on forums, because most of them are usually trolls. Kinda like Link. I post here because i like to see other opinions that differ than mine. I don't like reading long logic-based arguments that go on for like 3 pages. That's all.
Oh pore you, being persecute by those evil non-believers. They protest funerals, shout their hate on street corners, knock on your door and shove their book in your face, force unconstitutional laws to benefit their non-religion. How can you live in a place like that? So sad. God kills millions of people just so some one will have a Jesus moment? That's so cool. Totally a worship worthy god, and you are in no way a sadistic fuck to believe in a god like that. Hey new born baby you better except god in your hart before he kills you with that diseases he gave you when you were still in the womb. Ah newer mined some one just had a Jesus moment, so your short and painful is totally justified. Yeeeeeey Jesus. BTW Sait?, how dare you share your views as a non believer. Don't you know that fundies need constant confirmation of their beliefs? Or they might actually start thinking about what they believe and we don't want that do we. /end scene/
