The origin of life is something pretty well within our grasp to understand. The purpose of life is something we can take a crack at. The origin of the universe is even something we know a bit about. But the purpose of the universe is something I believe lies well outside of the scope of human understanding. Life requires certain conditions to exist. No life could possibly have been present/lived through the Big Bang or formation of the universe. Scientific theory on the origin of life is currently back on the track of abiogenesis, and by no means is there any support for life having always existed. The first life would likely have been the clay pumps that lived during an extremely volatile part of Earth's history, approximately from 4.5 to 3.5 billion years ago. None of this is evidence for the nonexistence of God.
It depends on how you choose to interpret The Bible. It is very rarely literal which you seem to believe with Genesis. And how does evolution counter the argumet for people with a faith? Surely, if anything it proves that there is a God. After all, how was the very first from of life in the entire universe formed? Atheists say that God can not exist because he had to have come from somewhere right, well then if life spontaneously generated it is a miracle in itself which in fact defeats the argument since a miracle is a divine happening.
If someone is unable to hear things, and puts a hand on a speaker and feels no viberations, no evidence of sound. Someone tells him its "divine sound" and the speaker is making sounds, he would say, No. We dont have to give evidence for disbelief, if you go to court and they find no evidence of the crime in question your found innocent. You didnt give any proof to show that your innocent, now did you? Agnosticism means you dont think you can prove or disprove god, thats a null argument. Atheism and Theism is whether you BELIEVE in god.
[/quote] This is something I never got...why does everything have to have a meaning or special purpose? The meaning of life? Well, reproduce and survive for as long as you can, I guess... Also, I don't really see how the theory of evolution would prove the existence of a deity. I'm not an expert on it, but doesn't it only theorise about how the creatures that walk, swim and fly in and around a world came from the first forms of life, and not how these first forms of life were formed? Even if it did, life didn't spontaneously come out of nowhere. Oh, and another thing. I've heard people (not specifically on this forum, but maybe some people think this way) say they believe in God because they think us being here can't be a coincidence or something...however, how would our existence be coincidental? I mean, if the nearest planet to us would also be inhabited by intelligent life, they'd have a point. But it isn't. Heck, how many exoplanets that would be capable of supporting life have we found? 2? 3? Then I don't really see how anything of this would be a coincidence...
i'm not so good in english but from what i understand you say that there is no coincidence that we live on this planet and that it was somehow chosen for us? If we lived on another planet you would also say the same thing (if you had been you on that planet). its like a randomly generated map in a game thats what you got and you couldt really imagine somthing else. Damn it this sounded realy clever in Norwegian but when i read it in my fractured english it's really weird. So if you don't understand what i mean just disregard this.
I actually mean the opposite: This world hasn't been chosen, however, I do think the term "coincidence" isn't chosen well in this situation. The place Earth is is completely random, it just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Normally, this would indeed be a coincidence, but with the amounts of planets that there are in the universe, a planet like Earth is more like something that is bound to happen than a coincidence.
You do have to admit how many specific details had to be fulfilled for Earth to be in the right spot even if the universe is as large as it is.
In an atheist world, who or what created the universe. I'll give you a hint [spoiler:195vyokw]It wasn't the big bang[/spoiler:195vyokw]
We don't know yet. It may have always existed in some form. It's more rational to believe the universe always existed, or came into existence on it's own, or whatever, than to believe that a god always existed or that a god just came into existence on it's own.
Well, if you are willing to believe in eternity, then the existence of a God does not seem all that unfathomable. And thinking that the universe just decided to happen seems to me just as stupid as a god seems to you. Edit- 600th post FTW
God either always existed or came into existence... what other options are there? Occam's razor. You're adding unnecessary complexity by claiming that god always existed/came into existence and than created the universe. It's less complex to just say the universe always existed/came into existence.
My point was that if you were willing to accept eternal existence, then an eternal deity does not seem as unlikely as previously stated.
Yes, and my point was that believing in the eternal existence of the universe is more rational than believing in the eternal existence of a god. Like I said, you're adding unnecessary complexity by claiming that god always existed and than created the universe, as opposed to the universe having always existed.
Corb, when your religious, you don't have to actually think about anything critically, whenever you can't figure it out just say 'God did it'. So while you have the burden of proof to show that the universe always existed, he can just say, 'Well, God created the universe, who knows how or why or how long ago or what was before...' A religious person fits reality to their delusion rather than taking each moment for what it is... chaos.
