Romney Lost In Iowa, Rick Perry Quit, and Gingrich is Surging WTF

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by slydessertfox, Jan 19, 2012.

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  1. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    You have two pieces of fuel you are wasting.
    Karakoran, Jan 23, 2012
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  2. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Actually they shouldn't be used for fuel for they would be an insult to good firewood or other books.
    Viking Socrates, Jan 23, 2012
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  3. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    He is organizing a planned withdrawal from Afghanistan. He managed (with the help of Bush) to get us out of Iraq. Iran is provoking the US. We are not doing anything to provoke Syria. He handled the situation in Libya perfectly. We have killed many Al Quaeda leaders including Bin Laden since he has been in office. As for Egypt, he managed to convince Mubarak to resign in a couple of weeks. The dude has been an expert in the foreign policy department.
    slydessertfox, Jan 24, 2012
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  4. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Months behind schedual.
    And Bush is under-credited.
    I don't really like Iran, but the provokation is really both ways. Iran threatened to block the strait after the US announced another round of sanctions, if I am not mistaken.
    Other than almost putting through a resolution that would have opened the gates to a foreign invasion.
    By doing marginally less than the US population wanted.
    I know for a fact [through several of my associates in the US] that many US citizens supported going into Libya.
    Thanks to efforts that were handed down by... every other administration that had been trying that.
    The Obama Administration by no means did it all on their own time.
    After clear calls from other nations' leaders to Mubarak to do the same thing. And the growing threat of international intervention in the region. Obama by no means single-handedly caused the resignition.
    Imperial1917, Jan 24, 2012
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  5. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Not really...

    Yes, but there's plenty of politicians (including McCain, his opponent in 08) who would have pushed back our withdrawal

    The US isn't really alone in sanctioning Iran, it's kind of an "Everyone but China, and usually Russia" kind of deal

    Never read anything about this. Are you referring to in the UN or at the national (congressional) level?

    Eh, I would actually say more people were pissed off about our involvement then supported it. You're friends are probably in the liberal minority (that includes myself) that wanted more action, but he was widely condemned by both the media and politicians for involving ourselves in a costly (even though it really wasn't) war in the middle of a deficit crisis.

    Obama pulled the trigger on it when Bush and Clinton did not. We've had Osama in our cross hairs at various points in time, yet let him slip away for one reason or another. Obama had the gumption to say, "I don't care what anyone else has to say, we're the most powerful nation the world has ever known, and we're going to get this guy". While you can say this sets a dangerous precedent, I think we can all agree the world is a better place now that Osama is gone, despite strained Pakistani relations.


    As an aside, I never thought in a million years I'd be defending Obama.
    pedro3131, Jan 24, 2012
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  6. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    True, but that does not mean that Bush is only currently being given the credit that he is owed.
    I never said that the US was the only one.
    I just said that the provocation is both ways.
    Nobody appears to be in a particularly comprimising mood, evidently.
    UN level.
    Specifically, the biggest of the big: the UNSC [United Nations Security Council].
    They had a draft resolution on the subject of Syria, but China and Russia vetoed it. Their reasoning was that the wording was so ambiguous that it would have allowed the nations of the UN to go in with or without an Article 39, 41, 42, etc. Which was not their intention.
    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39935 [The draft resolution]
    http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml [The Charter articles in question]
    Hmm... parhaps.
    But I only have really only heard outright condemnation by Che.
    I am not denying that he had a pivotal role in eliminating Osama, just that he is getting all the credit for it.
    I will have to review the reasons of the others for not acting again before I pass judgement on whether they should [in my mind] recieve less credit than they would normally be owed for their parts.
    Imperial1917, Jan 24, 2012
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    In any case Obama has proven himself more than capable as POTUS, particularly in the area of foreign policy and IR in general.
    Kalalification, Jan 24, 2012
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