States with High Taxes vs. States with Low Taxes

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  1. 1Historygenius Member

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    Did you know that people usually like low taxes, which is what I support? Go figure!

    The state of New York, a largely Liberal state, has had the biggest departure of people from the period of 2000-2010. 3.4 million people left the state according to the Tax Foundation. The gained 2.1 million people in that decade, so overall the state lost more people and also lost $45.6 billion in income.

    More than 600,000 of these New York residents moved to Florida, a largely independent state. Well over 200,000 people from the state of Pennsylvania, also largely Liberal, moved to Florida to, taking $8 billion from the state.

    According to the Tax Foundation, many of these people did move because of the high taxes in those two states.

    California, another largely Liberal state, is also known for high taxes. It has seen similar patterns. Over 500,000 people left California from the 2000-2010 period, moving to Texas, a largely Conservative state, taking over $14 billion in income. Texas, has seen massive prosperity under its governor, Rick Perry. The state has no income or estate tax. Around 28,000 moved from California to Nevada and around 30,000 moved from California to Arizona. Together combining over a loss of $1 billion in income.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/esc...ire-state-loses-34-million-residents-10-years
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    Americans do like their low taxes.
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    Thus, what the people like, proves its better for the nation. What the people do not like, is not good for the nation. We are a country that is based on its people.
  4. Soviet Streltsy Well-Known Member

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    You do realise that what people don't like is usually the correct course of action? By your method of thought here, Industralization would not be good because the people of 18th Century Europe did not like it.

    Furthermore, if you would examine the differences between the states with lower taxes and the states with higher taxes, you would find that generally. The standard of living in the states with lower taxes is lower than that of states with higher taxes. Another factor you seem to forget, is the fact that the costs of living in the states are much high than that of the states with lower taxes not because of taxes. But because of the GDP/c in those states are much higher than that of the states with lower taxes... Taxes are not the problem here, it is the quite literally the cost of living.

    Example: The Average Gasoline price in my native State of South Carolina is much lower than that of price in New York. So is the average cost of housing, food, ect.
  5. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure everyone likes not having their money taken away.

    Got proof?

    Your grammar made that unreadable. Started out ok, then slowly got illegible.
  6. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    We have high taxes here in good ol Eastampton New Jersey. But you know what? We also have one of the best school systems in the state (which in turn has some of the best school systems in the country). Believe it or not, taxes go to useful stuff. Low taxes equals less money given to schools, which equals lesser quality schools, which equals a less educated populace! Go figure!
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    You are talking about the consumer price index (CPI) not the cost of living adjustment (COLA). The media regularly compare these two without consideration of the pertinent tax code. CPI is not COLA. CPI is based on the retail pricing of a basket of goods and services. Most purchases of that same basket require the use of after-tax dollars - dollars that were often subject to the highest marginal tax rate. Consequently, the COLA will necessarily have to exceed the CPI/inflation rate to maintain purchasing power.
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    Of course, if we didn't have a public school system then we could have more private schools. That way, we would have both low taxes and quality education.
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    When's the last time you enjoyed being introduced to something that's going to take your job away? Would you like it if you had to move from doing a practice that you and your family had been doing for centuries to being cramed in a dangerious, low-pay, and unskilled-labour factory?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

    Sorry.
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    Yeah, but New York is not in the top 5 of the most educated states in the country, thus proving that high taxes does not equal good education. Florida is not in the bottom 5 either. http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0811/Most-and-Least-Educated-States.aspx#axzz1wPIbBL2I

    Also, there is a thing called private schools. If it were not for government-funded schools, all schools would be private with low taxes.

    Low taxes does not equal bad school grades.
  11. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    How widespread were these Luddites? It most likely wasn't the majority opinion of the time.

    It's alright, I just couldn't respond to it.
  12. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    I am inclined to agree here. Now of course we are in a recession so you can't just not have taxes like Bachmann & Paul propose. Just keep'em low & try not to raise them. Like my main man Governor Goodhair I support a flat tax around 20%.

    Some states with lower taxes do see higher populations, but that isn't all of it. Jobs, HealthCare, etc play a part.
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    Nobody better be hatin'.
  14. 0bserver92 Grand King of Moderation

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    A flat tax is not a fair tax.
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    California = best social programs in the nation.

    Taxes and rent aren't even that bad, and I go to school with a lot of rich people, they don't complain that much, also most of that immigration is from well... Immigration.
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    If it is not fair the people will vote accordingly and we will see if the reelect Rick Perry when it is his time.
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    The problem is stupid selfish people vote, democracy is for everybody...
  18. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    It is a fair tax if the tax is low.

    Also let's not turn this into a Rick Perry Debate, we have enough of those.
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    This is a flat tax debate. All a flat tax does is punish the poor and middle class well benefiting the wealthy. A flat tax raises taxes for the lower and middle classes while greatly cutting those for the rich. The rich are the only ones who benefit from a flat tax as their tax rate would be greatly reduced. I would also like to know why the rich should not pay more taxes than other people they make more money therefore they should be taxed more. A flat tax would also be devastating on tax revenues meaning very deep cuts would have to happen to govment programs. This damages the middle and lower classes even more. As not only do they get higher tax rates but they also have their services cut. meanwhile the rich are making more money than ever. On the Rick Perry issue the only reason he gets reelected is because he is Republican do really think Texas would elect a communist Muslim democrat.
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    They would. 20% of $10,000 is $2,000. 20% of $50,000 is $10,000. 20% of $1,000,000 is $200,000.

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