The American Jobs Act

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Tito, Sep 10, 2011.

  1. LampRevolt Well-Known Member

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    Dont worry, your not that wealthy I dont think, so sure, we will put the money we would give you in your cold dead hands.[/quote:10cnxwxd]

    I have far too much money put away for education and future investment to share with drug dealers and whores. Suck maaaaa dick.
  2. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    And 50,000 x 280,000 is ~$14,000,000,000 saved.
    I may have done the math a bit wrong and put in or forgot to put in a few 0s. iPod calculator isn't 100% secure.

    Anyway, it saves money because money is scarce.

    Turns out when your sitting on a pile on money and there's lots of cheap, unemployed, educated labor along with an environment where you can easilly set up more locations, you want to expand. The problem is the labor is not cheap, nor is our government eager to let up on regulation.
  3. D3VIL Well-Known Member

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    If it is true that 56% of the bill is tax cuts then I say it is incredibly disingenuous to call it The American Jobs Act, I propose calling it the More Tax Cuts Because Cutting Government Revenue Is Great In Dealing With A Deficit Act. Brevity isn't my strong point.
  4. Tito Well-Known Member

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    I watched a few seconds of the video before the stupid made me leave. The tax cuts are for small business's, not big business like last time.
  5. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad your getting your economics and political news from a person who probably hasn't taken a single course in either.

    1) Most of the tax cuts are for small bussiness, as Tito said. So even if your against one for the multi-national corporations, these aren't the same.
    2) He's saying Free Trade is bad for some reason. What? It just bogols the mind why you would think that Free Trade with an economicly weak country like Panama would hurt America. Sure it *might* be a problem for Panamanian companies, but for American ones it's a new market.
    3) He's against spending cuts, obviously he hasn't seen the defecit.

    I do agree though, these tax breaks are out of place. If our economy was doing better I would be all for them, but we need tax increases to eliminate the defecit and trim down the debt before we can consider them. Austarity measures, if you want to call them that.
  6. LampRevolt Well-Known Member

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    1. Obviously its because it costs money to have them, if we didn't have your wisdom i'm not sure if i'd remember to breathe.

    2. Karakoran.... do you really think your already retarded populace needs to lose 280,000 teachers? Let's just make the whole nation less educated I'm sure that will help in the long run with our economic crisis
  7. Big J Well-Known Member

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    Businesses expand to MEET DEMAND. Extra money makes it easier for a business to expand, but they wont expand if there's not enough demand. Supply and Demand is the primary factor in ANY businesses expansion by a large margin.
  8. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather have people rich, happy, and stupid than poor, angry, and intellegent. Not to mention if we don't make any cuts like this we're going to end up going broke and having them forced on us later, so we might as well do it now.
  9. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    How about instead of cutting teachers we cut our massive fucking military? We don't need 12 aircraft carriers!
  10. C_G Well-Known Member

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    Why don't they just enact conscription? That will end unemployment really quickly.
  11. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    Because the government cant afford the military as it is?
  12. JJ12354 Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for cutting the bloated US military.
  13. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    No, we need a powerful navy/air force, such is the way you win a modern war. We do not, however, need such a large land army stationed in America. Cutting things like the National Guard would do nicely. However, I would rather not lose America's grip on everything.
  14. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    I say we need to jump start the economy and than fix the deficit. Either way it' going to be really painful
  15. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Wa wah we wa..... Really? A) a national guard is one of the basic organs of a healthy republic. B) National guard units deploy on almost the same schedule as active duty units and provide a wider array of skills sets due to the fact that soldiers hold civilian jobs. C) The national guard allows the US to keep a battle ready force of almost identical size for a fraction of the cost (see first link). If anything you could advocate for a shrinking of active duty personal and a withdrawal from current conflicts before advocating for the disbandment of the guard. Realistically though, the Dod could probably trim a huge amount (dare I say a hundred or so billion) just by conducting audits and making people accountable for the money they spend. The army in particular wastes a huge amount of money on gear, much of it deficient and inferior to what's available in the civilian world, and could save a lot of money if it wasn't for long term no bid contracts.

    http://www.ng.mil/ll/analysisdocs/FY201 ... Passed.pdf
  16. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    What we need is better intelligence and better gear for our military. The better out things are, the less of them we need.
  17. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough with your links and logic, but we really need to priorterize here and the odds of us actually need to call on the National Guard for anything requiring, say, the latest weopanry, are slim to none. In other words, all sectors of the military should sustain some cuts, but the National Guard, as well as the army as you mentioned, are both places we could cut without to much of a backlash.
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    because letting foreign nations operate without American interference is horrible obviously.
  19. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Again, the guard deploys overseas almost as often as the active component. During the peak of operations in Iraq active duty units were on 2 year turnarounds, whereas guard units were on 3 years. Also the guard is more heavily involved with the peacekeeping missions the US is involved in like Egypt and Kosovo. The guard also has a partnership program with foreign militaries and routinely cross trains with foreign militaries both inside the US and in foreign countries. I've had friends go to Kazakstan, Latvia, and Australia on training exercises with the guard. Finally, the guard is routinely called up in the event of natural disasters or emergencies. Any time there is severe flooding, or snow storms, governors usually rely on guard units to ensure that people have access to emergency care and are safe and out of harms way. Almost 60,000 guardsmen were mobilized and deployed in response to hurricane Katrina, and without their efforts, it would have taken much longer to restore law and order and protect the private property of evacuated residents.
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    So Republicans killed the jobs bill. Its never been more apparent than now that the GOP only represents the 1% wealthy Americans and Corporations, and nobody else. They can't even hide it with double talk. This is how the Democrats will win the election in 2012. Obama has them where he wants them, and they cannot do anything about it except crumble. He's found the Achilles heel that may destroy the party. The republicans cannot keep rejecting bills that a majority supports without some serious backlash. It would take a COLOSSAL fuck-up on the Democrats part to lose now.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plu ... ml?hpid=z3
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