The Crusades

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  1. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what would've happened if Byzantium actually did accept the offer.

    Could've messed up history a lot if they held the city.
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    If the Christians owned the Holy land, it wouldn't less oppressed than it was.
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    hell yeah

    no ottoman empire, turkey would never be formed and all sorts of things would happen and some wouldn't
  4. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    well the ottomans already held turkey before this event >_>
  5. yuri2045 A Marines Biologist

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    No guarantees they'd survive the crusader attack after it, maybe they'd get eaten by Byzantium again, or fall to the timurids.
  6. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Ok now we know that wouldnt happen
  7. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    of course it could have happened
  8. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    the ottomans werent that bad
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    yes but the ottomans could have suffered such a defeat at the hands of the emperor's troops that it was a matter of rolling them back to Antioch and starving them out.
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    exactly
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    The Crusades just go to show the real reason why religon is used.
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    ???

    The real reason why religion is used is to start campaigns to regain lands that are sacred to that religion?
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    Its an impossable question becouse the answer is to far back in time to be recovered. Religion has always been a way for power hungry people to start and justify any war they want it can't be used anymore though becouse people are smart.
  14. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    Not really, especially not in the Crusades. They weren't trying to loot the Middle East, they were trying to restore Christianity to it.
  15. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    thats exactly what they wanted you to think
  16. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    No, it was to "reclaim the Holy lands from the Infidals" and "give back God's children what was rightful theirs".
  17. yuri2045 A Marines Biologist

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    Stop bringing games into this discussion :lol:
  18. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Quote from Medieval 2 Total War? Cause it sure sounds like it...
  19. yuri2045 A Marines Biologist

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    It is, that's why I posted to not put games into this discussion.
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    I find it weird how the last three crusades (7th-9th) where all led by King Louis IX of France. He really wanted success though it was marginal. I mean if his first two crusades had little to no success why would a third fair any better. Especially after the expenses of the other two.

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