The First World War

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who really won the first world war? The Axis or the Allies?

Axis 13 vote(s) 19.7%
Allies 45 vote(s) 68.2%
The Jews!!! 15 vote(s) 22.7%
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  1. Shisno Doesn't know who did this

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    I hope we learn it 1 minute before the world is destroyed by nuclear missiles. That is my one wish.
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    Err... Can't we just learn it without any nuclear missiles involved? That would be a bit safer, you know.
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    Then maybe with nitrogen bombs?
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    That would also kinda... you know... destroy us.
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    But who cares?! But anyway, I just hope that we will at least learn that war isn't worth.
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    I think Albert Einstein said it best when he said "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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    Then let us hope that there won' t be a WWIII.
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    That sounds like a pretty awesome war. Let's hope it will happen, and we will still be around to see the awesomeness of Einstein's sticks and stones.
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    Most countries were not entirely defeated. The allies also were effected by the war. If the central powers had actually been defeated then why was there a world war 2?
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    That is not entirely true both sides had lots of industrial power. Ww1 was major conflict, not a minor prewar conflict. Also, if the allies had not placed Germany in such a desperate place, if you know what Germany was like between the wars you will understand this, ww2 may have been prevented. Of course no one knew Hitler was nutcase until it was too late.
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    Germany did not declare war On the USA Japan did and they were allied with Germany
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    Hitler didn't have to declare war though, he simply could have abandoned Japan, there was never a need to ally with them. However, Hitler did declare war on the US.
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    There was a world war 2 because the central powers lost world war 1.

    He didnt have to declare war on the USA though.

    They put them in such a desperate place because the victors have the rights to impose whatever they want on the conquered.
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    The allies just lost backbone after 1935, when Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland, and it is quite sad how easy it was to stop that aggression.
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    I have to say in the end though the Entente won the war militarily. Everything else however was in Germany's favor for one the Entente lost the crucial aspects of combined arms warfare because of bickering over which branch won the war, Hitler a soldier in the Austrio-Hungarian army (He couldn't meet up with the Prussian standards of the German military) was spared by a man who could of shot him while Germany was falling around them, The world suffered an economic crash weakening everybody but the central powers because they were already broken, Finally the harsh terms of the peace condition allowed a very nationalistic outburst in Germany and Austria.
    We can argue all day about who won the war however in the end it is impossible to truly say who was the victor simply because there was no goal to which war was waged. With no real goal in the war other than fighting to victory what can you base true victory on when no one knew what to fight for specifically.
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    In the end the Entente won overall. Period, end of story. You talk about the repercussions of the war, and these all end up up leading to World War 2, and guess who won that, the Allies. The Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire were collapsing quickly, and thus were practically out of the war, and Germany's people ware starving, it was blockaded on at all seaports, and it had the mass manpower of the US combined with the French, Belgian, and British armies bearing down on it. The Allies had tanks and Germany didn't. The whole goal of the war was the Austro-Hungarian Empire taking over Serbia, after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and it ends out that the Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman, and German empire got obliterated after the war, therefore meaning the Entente won.
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    However i have to say that all people think winning a war is simply determining a peace agreement when the fighting is over. World war 2 is the Entente's proof of failure the measures taken against Germany after World war 1 failed to contain Germany as a threat as Hitler demonstrated. Though The Austrio-Hungary and Ottoman Empire collapsed the British and French Empires were collapsing at the same time. However you forgot about Russia who was part of the Entente before the revolution of communism. With the Russian empire's collapse Germany was able to mount a Large offense against the french. Now the German offense was able to almost reach Paris. This proved one thing both sides were fundamentally weakened in all areas. If any consensus about who won world war 1 could be reached the end would be that yes the Entente won militarily it failed to keep the German people from recognizing their victory. To get true victory you have to not only win but also get the other side to recognize your victory Germany surrendered unconditionally and the Entente forced the reparations of the war on them. I believe one of the French commanders was quoted as saying "This is not a peace but a truce for thirty years"
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    All you have to do is look at the Versailles Treaty I think that explains who won.And the fact that after Germanys currency collapsed
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    Well, many would argue that the Versailles Treaty was unfair, because Germany didn't lose that bad. And the fact Germany's currency collapsed was completely due to the Treaty.

    Also, the Central Powers didn't as many soldiers, nor civilians as the Entente, but when you look at the percentage of lost men (1% for the Entente and 5% for the Centrals), you could argue that it wasn't that bad.
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    Supreme Commander of the Allied Armies, General Ferdinand Foch.

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