What I hate about the way Americans think

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  1. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Well then why am I a worse person for believing these people aren't heroes?
    The soldiers think this way (at least the ones I talked to) because they want the real heroes to be recognized as such, and they think its disrespectful to the real heroes to even consider themselves on the same level as these great men and women.
    We've stayed there for 11 years now! I think if its still not ready for us to leave yet, then we'll never leave. And we're not even really leaving. We're just pulling our combat troops out, meaning we leave behind thousands of garrison troops, just like what we're doing in Iraq right now.
    Sure we give them food and build some infrastructure for them. We did that in Vietnam too. The people still hated us there. And I'd also like to point out all that infrastructure we are giving them we are rebuilding, its not new infrastructure, its just shit we wrecked in the initial invasion.
    Great. So now a book is our best source? If you can find some legitimate sources for you I'll believe you, but books that are about current events are frequently made obsolete the minute they're published.
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    1. So you would go, to a funeral of a soldier, and say to he's parents, who call him a hero (lets say the boy died of a mine)

    "you are disrespectful to other soldiers."

    Or would go to a welcoming back party and judge the parents, of a soldier who just came home and say :"that's disrespectful"

    the word hero is used by people who think somebody is a hero. Or do you want I post the definition of hero again.

    2. The reason it took so long is because Iraq was your priority mission so you couldn't focus on building Afghanistan.

    3. They hated you in Vietnam doesn't mean they hate you now, also hate and wanting you guys out in 2014 is 2 different things.

    btw isn't a book just as good source as a internet source? If its a new book ,the statistic don't chance so quickly making it a good source
  3. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    No, because that's even more disrespectful and disgusting. I'm not from the fucking Westboro Church. If the family wants to call their son a hero, that's fine by me. But when people that didn't even know the guy or the way he died start calling him a hero, then its gone a little too far.
    Once again, disrespectful.
    We were in Afghanistan for two years before Iraq.....
    Oh no, they hate us. There are three stages to an occupation. First stage is the occupiers are fighting the remnants of the government. The second stage, which we are in, is when the occupiers are fighting the people who hate us because they watched their family members die. The third stage is when the entire populace raises in revolt. it can take years to reach the third stage, but it will come.
    Statistics change day by day. Its like writing a book on the amount of people you have in the world right now.
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    The book was published in late 2011, so it's fairly up to date. I know there have been a few incidents since then, but shockingly, the slaughter by that sergeant didn't do much to the opinion of the ordinary Afghan people (except the taliban and such).
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    But the burning of their holy book did. It caused 30 days of rioting in the major cities...
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    Yes, but overall, it didn't make the majority of Afghans hate Americans. Just because the Afghans do not want the Americans there much longer, does not mean they hate the Americans and want the Taliban to rule them.
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    1. WTF if I don't know the guy doesn't mean he's not a hero! For the fuck sake dude
    Definition of the word "hero"

    1. A man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
    2. A person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal

    3. You don't know your own history, do you? The first operations in Afghanistan were bombing and small scale operations. Most of the time it was your SOF dudes helping the northern alliance. On the first year of war in Afghanistan , you lost ZERO troops.

    Only in mid 2002 your first real combat troops came in, those were parts of 10th mountain division joining on operation anaconda

    Only in 2003 NATO takes officially command of peacekeeping and rebuilding etc

    4. If it was 70% liking of USAF forces in 2011, it isn't lower... Or if it is, its only few %

    because logically most of the collateral damage cases happened before 2011 and those cases were low in 2011 and are even lower now, because the bombings are in Pakistan-afghan border
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    They don't want the Taliban to rule them. But they also don't want us to rule them. They hate both us and the Taliban.
    No, if I don't know the guy, then to me he is not going to be a hero. Look at your own definition.

    So what changed? We settled into a goddamn occupation.
    And this is when we start fucking up.

    Look how well that worked out.

    Burning a holy book tends to make the population disgruntled and make them dislike us. Especially when a month later one of our soldiers decides its a good idea to massacre innocents in their homes.
    And now our soldiers are being idiots and killing random people. Hell, our drone bombings aren't working either. We just keep killing people that aren't even part of the Taliban.
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    That does not mean they hate us.

    You wanna try and distinguish an individual terrorist from a civilian?
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    Some hate us, most don't. The reason we have gotten as far as we have in afghanistan is due to cooperation with local tribes(they give us info and help us flush out insurgents). While some tribes certanly do hate us, the taliban regime was not exactly popular, and I'd say afghans are happier under the new government, this is why they give us support. We are going to have all ground troops out by 2014(so I don't think we will ever reach this so called third stage), and right know are focusing on making sure the new government can stand on it's own two feet.
  11. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Well is that my problem? If I was gonna start bombing people, then I might just want to know whether I'm bombing civilians or terrorists.....
    Look it up. When the government says ground troops they mean combat troops. We will still be leaving tens of thousands of "support troops" behind.
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    1. Exactly to you! So isn't it stupid of you to criticize other people who think other wise

    2. True, mistakes were made, I agree on part, but this discussion has nothing to do with the original discussion

    4. Yeah like those kinds of thing didn't happen before, and else where (in Iraq, and still you bulled through)
  13. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    And its stupid for people like Kali to think I'm an inherently bad person for not bowing down and kissing the ground our armed forces walk on.
    That's kind of how forums work...you never have a thread that concentrates specifically on the OP.
    Of course they happened before. You know a great example of a place they happened? Vietnam. And look what happened there...
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    Only one last argument left :cool: I<3 you general mosh for giving me an depate, Hadn't had one in a long time.

    4. yes but mistakes also happend in iraq, and now you are out of combat operations, and the nation is growing little by little.
  15. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    We are out of combat operations, but we still have troops there. And once in a while, our troops still get blown halfway to Timbuktu.
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    Aren't the remaining troops trainers and such? Iraq is your ally so it does make sense that you leave "troops" there.

    Also its kind of rebuilding, because you destroyed their army and now you are helping/helped to create a new one. Its friendly isn't it?
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    Why I hate americans or just stupid americans:They don't think through what they are saying and the results are kinda like what Mosh posted.
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    You have to remember that a hero can be just about anything for anyone. Some might say Hitler was a hero even today.
    however, those "poor" insurgents should never be underestimated that's a mistake we took in Vietnam that we have corrected now.
    Just because they don't have what we would call proper living quarters or weapons they can still be a high level-threat.

    The Americans {by the way were not a united hive mind, not everyone has the same opinion TRUST ME ON THAT} who
    said those things probably felt a fended that you belittled the armed forces. Be more careful i had to call the cops for a house
    party that was going down the street at 2 in the morning which happened to have kids with sub-machine guns and a drug lab.

    Hope that makes sense...
  19. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    They shouldn't have need of 50,000 "trainers", and, according to my dad, that's about the number we've left there.
    Would be better if things didn't have to be rebuilt in the first place. In a world with so many precision strike weapons, its disgusting how much collateral damage we caused.
    So do you mean I'm a "stupid American"?
    It might if you edit it because of all the fragments....the site probably did that though not you :p
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    No I ment the OP silly.

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